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PMKeates · 26 Jan 2008 at 19:36

NathanE said:
Somewhere in amongst this legendary thread: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17816574

The only generalisation I made in that thread wasn't anything to do with driving skill. You are mistaken.

Tom|Nbk · 26 Jan 2008 at 19:40

[TW]Fox;10976591 said:
Ok.

You don't deserve to drive a 330i, you drive like a complete **** and you'll kill someone if somebody doesnt stop you.

Better?

I echo those sentiments. Don't be a **** take it on the chin and learn from it, rather than getting away with it and it happening again.

Seriously grow up.

Ben M · 26 Jan 2008 at 19:40

PMKeates said:
I WILL NOT STATE THE SPEED I BELIEVE I WAS TRAVELLING AT ON THESE FORUMS

Why? You're going to have to say how fast you were going when you're in court, provided that you don't plead guilty.

PMKeates · 26 Jan 2008 at 19:41

Ben M said:
Why? You're going to have to say how fast you were going when you're in court, provided that you don't plead guilty.

I haven't decided whether I'll even go to the court, so to say anything now would be premature.

djjuk · 26 Jan 2008 at 19:44

Do you take any responsibility for this, or are you just ****** off with being caught?

Genuine question as I see zero remorse from you, in fact you seem to be taking it as a bit of a joke :confused:

Time to grow up a bit chap.

BigglesPiP · 26 Jan 2008 at 19:44

You don't seem keen to say it do you? I think you're avoiding admitting to yourself that you were in the wrong.

s0ck · 26 Jan 2008 at 19:46

Don't take anything on the chin, fight it all the way; you're prolly looking at a ban anyway.
I don't know you or the road but one thing I do know... I have a 3 year old daughter. She does occasionally wander onto the wrong side of the car whilst 'helping' Daddy to bring in shopping, etc.

Think.

helpimcrap · 26 Jan 2008 at 19:46

ok, so essentially the basics of this are:

driving in excess of 60 by some margin.
in a 30 limit
overtaking a vehicle
a single carriageway road.
5:45 on a sunday afternoon.

i think you may be stuffed. i'd say a 3-6 month ban would be likely.

i got a 3 month ban for doing 128 in a 60 through a camera. mind you that was before they started making speeding drivers public enemy number one and sticking them on the same wall as Bin Laden in HQ.

Ben M · 26 Jan 2008 at 19:48

PMKeates said:
I haven't decided whether I'll even go to the court, so to say anything now would be premature.

Not really, the truth is the truth, no matter when it comes. the Only reason to not tell the truth here is if you are planning on lying in court.

PMKeates · 26 Jan 2008 at 19:55

djjuk said:
Do you take any responsibility for this, or are you just ****** off with being caught?

Genuine question as I see zero remorse from you, in fact you seem to be taking it as a bit of a joke

Time to grow up a bit chap.

I am responsible for this, but, of course, am also annoyed about being charged (and who wouldn't be?).

Remorse has a strong meaning. I haven't thought about the moral situation enough to decide whether or not I can be remorseful. When I think back to what happened, I know what aspects of it I may grow to regret, but to regret it would mean I would want to change what happened. This may be part of a defining moment in my life that I will not change in to a better person without. If my actions had caused suffering for someone else, then it would be selfish of me to not regret it regardless of the positive effect it may have on me, but as it is, a victimless crime? It's a tough decision for me. I hope you can understand what I mean by that.

schumi84 · 26 Jan 2008 at 19:57

I am just amazed that he got insurance on the car in the first place. 3.0l car, a bmw at that and only being 21 so in the middle age bracket. Must have cost a pretty penny.

PMKeates · 26 Jan 2008 at 20:00

schumi84 said:
I am just amazed that he got insurance on the car in the first place. 3.0l car, a bmw at that and only being 21 so in the middle age bracket. Must have cost a pretty penny.

Was £1038 last renewal (for 10 months). I don't imagine anything being that cheap for a long time after this!

Ben M · 26 Jan 2008 at 20:02

PMKeates said:
I don't imagine anything being that cheap for a long time after this!

rightly so

AtomicBanana · 26 Jan 2008 at 20:04

I'm sorry, but you still seem to be taking this so lightly. For that reason alone I hope you get a sizeable punishment.

sigma · 26 Jan 2008 at 20:06

PMKeates said:
If my actions had caused suffering for someone else, then it would be selfish of me to not regret it regardless of the positive effect it may have on me, but as it is, a victimless crime?

So that's bascially answered a yes to the question I asked earlier :

silane said:
Will it take you killing/hurting someone before you grow up?

I think a ban might do you some good, it *might* (and most people here hope) be a time to reconsider your attitude to driving. A fresh start so to speak.

schumi84 · 26 Jan 2008 at 20:06

That is pretty good going tbh, full NCD i presume there too.

PMKeates said:
I don't imagine anything being that cheap for a long time after this!

Agree with that :eek:

might be a bit of a reality check. i read before that you may give/sell it to a friend to keep it on the road, is that still the plan?

PMKeates · 26 Jan 2008 at 20:10

AtomicBanana said:
I'm sorry, but you still seem to be taking this so lightly.

I'm just making it appear that way. Though I haven't thought much about what has happened, I've thought a great deal about what could happen. During stressful periods at work, I've sat there, staring in to the sky, terrifying myself about what could happen to me... what if I were imprisoned? It could ruin my entire life. It comes back round to that remorse situation again and balancing my actions with the rest of the world.

I tend to try and joke and gloss over it as it just wouldn't be fair of me to be miserable all the time.

[TR]SweetSpotOz · 26 Jan 2008 at 20:13

helpimcrap said:
i got a 3 month ban for doing 128 in a 60 through a camera

Sorry but this is pretty shocking too. I assume it was on a bike?

Even still, how can you even think you can be safe at 128mph if you can't even see far enough ahead to know to slow down for a camera?

PMKeates · 26 Jan 2008 at 20:13

schumi84 said:
Agree with that might be a bit of a reality check. i read before that you may give/sell it to a friend to keep it on the road, is that still the plan?

What I do with the car depends on the punishment. Few weeks ban and it'll sit outside my house. Few months? Probably give it to my mum to nanny. Any longer and I'll be considering giving it to a friend if he'll take it. Selling is a possibility in all scenarios, just not one I've considered that much. I don't really want to lose the car as I've become quite attached to it.

markyp23 said:
Even still, how can you even think you can be safe at 128mph if you can't Aeven see far enough ahead to know to slow down for a camera?

Remember that a mobile camera could have been hidden, and he was probably concentrating on the road and it's immediate surroundings rather than what's on top of a flyover etc.

Memphis · 26 Jan 2008 at 20:17

mattpc said:
If you have no time for him quit posting in the thread at all. Whilst I agree he did something stupid he's going to be punished for it by the courts anyway.

Why should I not post exactly? I'm well within my right to get angry with someone who has little to no care for anyone else in the world. I do seriously hope he gets shafted by the courts, and I'll quite happily voice my opinion about it. What really ****** me off is he's looking for ways to get around the severity of his situation. He needs to take a long look at himself and work out what the hell he's doing before he kills someone.