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If they can't pass a stripped down GCSE maths and english-type exam, boot 'em out.
Equal opportunities - blah blah blah
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We devastated many of the countries the immigrants come from and set them back 100 years as well.
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How can you think that is spot on?!?! It takes many years to learn a language fluently, in fact to do so you really need to live in said country for a fair while. If you were talking about people with no language skills at all and no desire to learn then businesses will sort the problem for themselves, they're not going to get hired by the huge majority of companies!!! We don't need the gestapo going round throwing out everyone with too strong an accent.
TBH i wish it could be all the ignorants and bigots that could be booted out the country, then we might start seeing some progress!
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Spot on.
Maybe they could learn or begin learning before setting off for here. I wouldn't dream of going to a random country looking for work where I couldn't speak their native language.
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That's what I'm sure 99% of people do! But the comments I keep seeing over and over state that they think people should be fluent in the language before they can come over.
I'm just saying their doesn't need to be rules regards this kind of thing. If someone can't speak any English the chances are they're not going to get a job with an English speaking company.
The answers in this thread are a nice mix of BNP and Daily Mail viewpoints, quite comical. My own viewpoint is that some situations like the one described have gone to the wrong side of PC, and all it serves to do is generate friction between the different cultural and racial sections in the country. Laws should be applied with common sense when it comes to equal ops, sadly these days they swing they seem to swing far more to giving minorities a 'bunk up'. There is validity behind some of it though I think. The company I work for is run for the benefit of getting the underprivilaged and long term un-employed, (contracts like New Deal, Gateway To Work etc), back into stable employment. It's amazing the amount of white British that are happy to decline every job offer and stay on state benefits, yet someone who can do the job just as well but needs (and wants) training in basic literacy & numeracy and similar and is a foreign national will clamber at the chance for the same position. Most of the time they get a few Learndirect courses under their belt and they're sorted, many become much harder workers than some lazy spotty 17 year old dole monkey.
I think until the benefit takers with no reason not to be unemployed have a damn good reason to go into work, then they won't, thus leaving many a vacant job for anyone else, mainly Johnny Foreigner, to take up.
If the government got the benefit system sorted out so those on benefits were enticed, or forced into work then we'd be less with less unemplyed British Nationals and less jobs to go around, thus decreasing the recent immigration influx. Until that happens, everyone is going to want a piece of what the UK easily offers of to them.
Waffle over!
I think until the benefit takers with no reason not to be unemployed have a damn good reason to go into work, then they won't, thus leaving many a vacant job for anyone else, mainly Johnny Foreigner, to take up.
If the government got the benefit system sorted out so those on benefits were enticed, or forced into work then we'd be less with less unemplyed British Nationals and less jobs to go around, thus decreasing the recent immigration influx. Until that happens, everyone is going to want a piece of what the UK easily offers of to them.
Waffle over!
Dmpoole.. Your spelling and grammar are excellent. Therein is a problem - many employers don't necessarily value literate/numerate employees these days. As you're on JSA I suggest you make the best of it and grab everthing and anything on offer.
In a similar situation I used it to my advantage. Enrolled on a City & Guilds Autocad 2-dimensional/3-dimensional CAD course. Took a City & Guilds Further & Adult Teaching Certificate (including college placements and oodles of in-class teaching of anything from literacy/numeracy to CAD to orienteering to physics, technology and design etc). Hey - even met Bob Symes..!
Then a railtrack Personal Track Safety certificate (a nifty course teaching permanent way basics, sleeper replacement, rail replacement, ballasting techniques, lookout, safe work practices, use of signals/detonators, electrical hazards/principles, possession rules, etc etc).
Next up was RSA 1/2 typing and business spelltest. Steamed through it. Next up First Aid At Work. Then Food Hygiene Certificate. Next up, courtesy of JSA discretionary grant, renewed my passport, hard disk, flight medical and even a full set of private pilot's licence flight training manuals.
I put the JSA-funded flight medical, manuals and hard disk to good use studying almost fulltime and renewed my old flying licence which was a total wheeze as I had all the time in the world and devoted all my spare time for 3 months to sail through renewal. In fact, at one point I was flying solo night landings and takeoffs as prerequisites for night rating renewal into an 800-metre grass strip lit by temporary landing and precision approach lighting, with help from... wait for it.. wait for it... JS-freakin'-A...!!!
Next up a run-your-own-business course with outsourced mentoring covering everthing from tax self-assessment, marketing thru setting up a business bank account. Thanks again JSA..!!
Despite my best efforts they wouldn't give me the chainsaw course though and told me it was railtrack maintenance or chainsaw but not both..
Take my advice mate and seize the initiative. My only regrets - not enough time to fit in chauffering, plumbing, plastering, bricking, 180/360 excavator etc etc.. Oh yeahh, missed out on the HGV/PSV and forklift training but, hey, mustn't grumble..
Ya can't win 'em all....
PS - career hints for you: police, paramedic, forensic science tech, forces, local authority, civil service, local government, fire service, customs and immigration, health and safety, teaching, vehicle inspectorate, private investigator, insurance assessor, fraud investigation, etc etc...
Oh yeahh.. benefit. Next time someone whinges about benefit remind them that, despite political soundbites and spin from political wizards who sense the whiff of election in the smog of Westminster, it's why we as one of the most taxed places on the planet pay taxes. Lots of taxes. And from cradle to grave the benefit system is there for all of us. As child benefit at birth, to grants for education for college and uni, as working tax credit top-up for many families on lower income, as maternity benefits and grants, as income support for those who have entitlement, as JSA for the many of those that cannot find employment or employment appropriate to their ability and qualifications, as sickness benefit for those sick, and as pensions and funeral grants at the end of our lives. Which, last time I checked, includes everyone at one time or another... Funny old world ain't it....
In a similar situation I used it to my advantage. Enrolled on a City & Guilds Autocad 2-dimensional/3-dimensional CAD course. Took a City & Guilds Further & Adult Teaching Certificate (including college placements and oodles of in-class teaching of anything from literacy/numeracy to CAD to orienteering to physics, technology and design etc). Hey - even met Bob Symes..!
Then a railtrack Personal Track Safety certificate (a nifty course teaching permanent way basics, sleeper replacement, rail replacement, ballasting techniques, lookout, safe work practices, use of signals/detonators, electrical hazards/principles, possession rules, etc etc).
Next up was RSA 1/2 typing and business spelltest. Steamed through it. Next up First Aid At Work. Then Food Hygiene Certificate. Next up, courtesy of JSA discretionary grant, renewed my passport, hard disk, flight medical and even a full set of private pilot's licence flight training manuals.
I put the JSA-funded flight medical, manuals and hard disk to good use studying almost fulltime and renewed my old flying licence which was a total wheeze as I had all the time in the world and devoted all my spare time for 3 months to sail through renewal. In fact, at one point I was flying solo night landings and takeoffs as prerequisites for night rating renewal into an 800-metre grass strip lit by temporary landing and precision approach lighting, with help from... wait for it.. wait for it... JS-freakin'-A...!!!
Next up a run-your-own-business course with outsourced mentoring covering everthing from tax self-assessment, marketing thru setting up a business bank account. Thanks again JSA..!!
Despite my best efforts they wouldn't give me the chainsaw course though and told me it was railtrack maintenance or chainsaw but not both..
Take my advice mate and seize the initiative. My only regrets - not enough time to fit in chauffering, plumbing, plastering, bricking, 180/360 excavator etc etc.. Oh yeahh, missed out on the HGV/PSV and forklift training but, hey, mustn't grumble..
Ya can't win 'em all....
PS - career hints for you: police, paramedic, forensic science tech, forces, local authority, civil service, local government, fire service, customs and immigration, health and safety, teaching, vehicle inspectorate, private investigator, insurance assessor, fraud investigation, etc etc...
Oh yeahh.. benefit. Next time someone whinges about benefit remind them that, despite political soundbites and spin from political wizards who sense the whiff of election in the smog of Westminster, it's why we as one of the most taxed places on the planet pay taxes. Lots of taxes. And from cradle to grave the benefit system is there for all of us. As child benefit at birth, to grants for education for college and uni, as working tax credit top-up for many families on lower income, as maternity benefits and grants, as income support for those who have entitlement, as JSA for the many of those that cannot find employment or employment appropriate to their ability and qualifications, as sickness benefit for those sick, and as pensions and funeral grants at the end of our lives. Which, last time I checked, includes everyone at one time or another... Funny old world ain't it....
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Good post, I missed it first time around.
Anyway, I saw equal opportunities a put to a great level on tuesday.
Part of the NHS course was attending a class on communication.
The Lecturer made it clear how communication was a key element of jobs in the NHS and people could die if you communicated badly.
We had 3 foreign students who spoke really bad English and they now had one Support Assistant between the 3 of them.
The Lecturer leaned over to me to pass a message back to him a minute later which I did with no problems.
The rest of the class did the same with no real problems but when he got to the 3 foreigners he got nowhere and neither did the Assistant.
At that point I would have asked them to leave because they couldn't even fit the most simplest requirement of the job but because of equal opportunities they will finish the course and get a certificate.
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In essence the whole course has been devalued. A total waste of everyones time and money.
they shouldn't let people in unless they have good english and also some skills/specialisation in something. Taking all the locals jobs over here in NI and the place is going to the dogs. SHip them off to where they came from if they arent worth having