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Nope, it's just Nokkonwud's biased opinion.
It wasn't an opinion, it wasn't bias and it wasn't mine. 0 for 3 son. Grow up, I'm sick of your rubbish.

The newer Xbox's aren't proven to be any more reliable than the older ones since they haven't been on the market long enough to find out, to suggest PS3's are as unreliable is just fanboy talk based on a few faulty lasers (which is to be expected with such a new technology).
The new HDMI Xbox360's have been out a little longer than the 40gb PS3's, which is what we're talking about. We're talking about how many returns one store gets, can't you get your head around it?
 
Waaah, God forbid anyone should say anything negative about the precious PS3 eh?

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The failure rate is about the same with the new Xbox360

The issue is when you post such things in a factual tone despite having nothing more than hearsay to back it up. The word of one mate from one shop is not enough to make claims such as the one you did.
 
Well, he states it as fact, so he should be prepared to back it up with more than 'what my mate says'

My friend works in a shop who retails in the consoles, what am I supposed to do, stand there every day she works there, photo all the returns as they come in, possibly with a loaf of Hovis to keep the fools at OcUK happy?
How the **** am I supposed to back it up with fact? I'm merely reporting on it.

She has no reason to lie to me, I have no reason to lie to you, but unlike most of you I'm willing to say what I think and not suck up to Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo. It was okay for people to say "A lot of Xbox360's are failing, loads are coming back" before the official figures of that were released though eh? And you call me bias.
 
The issue is when you post such things in a factual tone despite having nothing more than hearsay to back it up. The word of one mate from one shop is not enough to make claims such as the one you did.

I didn't post it in any tone as it's a forum with written text and I didn't say anything. I said my friend works in a shop and she takes 'x' back more than 'y', how else am I supposed to translate it? Think about it for a second.
I'd already described the scenario for you, so how you could claim I post it as fact is beyond me?

However, my claim is also based on the fact there are a lot of PS3 failed threads for 40gb models too. I am merely pointing out that there are a lot of PS3 fails and not as many Xbox360 failed threads.
 
I never called you bias. What I took issue with is you making claims that you can't back with anything more than hearsay. The truthfulness of what or your friend say is largely irrelevant anyway, using ONE sample to extrapolate a claim that all PS3s have a failure rate similar to HDMI 360s is laughable.

Admit you said something stupid that can't be backed up and be done with it.
 
"The failure rate is about the same with the new Xbox360 really, my friend says she takes more 40gb PS3's back than new HDMI Xbox360's, so new PS3's against new Xbox360's there isn't really anything in it." - Implies that all PS3s suffer from this failure rate.

If you worded it:

"My friend that works in games retail says she takes more 40gb PS3's back than new HDMI Xbox360's, so it's possible the failure rate on the 40GB PS3 is quite high"

There would be no issue at all.
 
You say mine is hearsay, but mines from someone who works in retail who for me at least, has more authority than people bickering hearsay on a forum.

As for how I worded it, it could have been better, but it's common sense as I said my friend takes back (which should have given it away), my comment was also based on the roughly equal number of failure posts for both consoles posted here, something that was clearly not evident before either console revisions.
 
Level of authority is again, irrelevant. No one here has made a specific claim either way, merely disputed the legitimacy of your own claims.

In future, maybe better use of English might help, so you don't post factual statements when you're actually just posting hearsay and opinion.

If I see my friends during the week, i'll ask the ones who work at *cough* how many of each they've been getting back, see how that tallys up.
 
irrelevant

I am still unsure how the view of 1 person who works in 1 shop is relevant when judging the hardware failure rate of a console. I would rather listen to the people who make the console, but each to their own I guess.

God forbid anyone would say anything negative about the precious 360 eh? I stand by my point (seeing as your point is based on 1 person who works in a shop and an internet forum that has no real link or correlation to the general public/buyers).

Only a fanboy could say there is "nothing" in it in terms for failure rate. I am amazed you can even try to debate it tbh.


rp2000

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If I see my friends during the week, i'll ask the ones who work at *cough* how many of each they've been getting back, see how that tallys up.
The answer will be irrelevant :)
 
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And I thought I had my moments..!!!..

previously, out of 40 or so friends, I'd put the 360 failure rate at 80%, most now have falcon's, and there hasn't been a single issue so far,
However, 18 of us have PS3's, and 2 of those , 40Gb models, less then 2 months old have been replaced due to non-reading of discs..

If I had to make the reliability call, based on my experience, I'd feel happy saying that the new Falcon is as reliable as the new PS3..

Is that vague and wooly enough to count as an opinion?

;)
 
The failure rate is about the same with the new Xbox360 really, my friend says she takes more 40gb PS3's back than new HDMI Xbox360's, so new PS3's against new Xbox360's there isn't really anything in it.

As for Blu-Rays, I've never had a problem with one of them and I've got 9.

Same failure rate as the new 360? If your taking figures from friends at work then I will too. Since the console has been released we have had 1 sole console returned faulty, and it was a DOA. Other than that we have not had any others returned to us at all since release day. As for the new falcon 360s I cannot comment as I do not know of any that have been returned faulty either, but im now onto my 3rd 360 in 13 months, so I hope the falcon I replaced the old 360 with is reliable.

Ive not once had a single problem with a blu ray, put it in the drive and press play and off it goes, cant say ive had any errors or freezes.
 
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In future, maybe better use of English might help, so you don't post factual statements when you're actually just posting hearsay and opinion.
I didn't post a link to anything proving it as fact, therefore it can't be 'factual'.

If I see my friends during the week, i'll ask the ones who work at *cough* how many of each they've been getting back, see how that tallys up.
Please do.
 
I am still unsure how the view of 1 person who works in 1 shop is relevant when judging the hardware failure rate of a console. I would rather listen to the people who make the console, but each to their own I guess.
Mainly because Sony and Microsoft talk utter garbage, and many people have (and obviously still do) take this as gospel. I was merely saying MY friend, nothing else, not a company as a whole or a widespread epidemic. You're really struggling to make this into a mountain aren't you, why, are you trying to shame me, try to show a level of superiority or are you just jumping on the PS3 bandwagon?

I have never said anything other than it's 1 friend and she is having a lot of 40gb PS3 returns and less Xbox360 returns. I fail to see where I have referenced official documentation saying what you seem to have wanted me to say ('fact').

God forbid anyone would say anything negative about the precious 360 eh? I stand by my point (seeing as your point is based on 1 person who works in a shop and an internet forum that has no real link or correlation to the general public/buyers).
Let us not forget, I've already told the OP to go out and buy a PS3 in this thread. People can say what they want about the failure rate of the Xbox360, everyone knows it was poor, which is my point, the returns are much better for the new Xbox360 and much worse for the PS3. I have not said ANYTHING else in this thread. You can make out I'm talking about the old Xbox360 if you want, but I haven't and if you read my posts again you'll see this.

Only a fanboy could say there is "nothing" in it in terms for failure rate. I am amazed you can even try to debate it tbh.
Utter rubbish. There are very few returns of the new Xbox360, nor are there many failure threads. In comparison there are more returns of the 40gb PS3 and more threads (than there used to be) for PS3 returns. Now that's not making stuff up, that's looking around the Internet and on these very forums, only a fanboy would ignore that rp2000.
 
Same failure rate as the new 360? If your taking figures from friends at work then I will too. Since the console has been released we have had 1 sole console returned faulty, and it was a DOA. Other than that we have not had any others returned to us at all since release day. As for the new falcon 360s I cannot comment as I do not know of any that have been returned faulty either, but im now onto my 3rd 360 in 13 months, so I hope the falcon I replaced the old 360 with is reliable.
I don't know if that was intentional, but you just kind of backed up my point. The 40gb PS3 and new Xbox360 have roughly the same reliability (which is backed up by this forum) and my friend says she takes more PS3's (although I would hazard they don't take many consoles back now).
 
My mates dogs cousins lemon flavoured spongecake works in a shoe department, he found that the most returned shoe were size 9.

Conclusion? Size 9 is unreliable.
 
Stop trying to be clever, you're not. What you said not only isn't relevant (as mine was), but it doesn't make sense, nor does it represent a concensus based on these forums. It merely shows you to be an uninformed troll.
 
I didn't post a link to anything proving it as fact, therefore it can't be 'factual'.

You posted a statement in a factual manner. Your logic is massively bent here, just because you didn't link to something doesn't mean you didn't say it factually.

'The moon is made of cheese.' << That is a factual statement. Its truthfulness is irrelevant, I still said it in a factual manner, just as you said 'The failure rate is about the same with the new Xbox360'

If you honestly can't comprehend that then my estimation of your intelligence has just taken a nosedive.
 
Dont want burst into a discussion about reliability, but for what i can ascertain is that the falcon 360 fail less than the original 360 and the 40Gbs fail slightly more than the 60Gb's, does that sound about right? TBH the problem with the 360 at first was poor design rather than a dodgy component as in the 40Gbs DRE problems. Apart from RROD i thought that the 360 also suffered from DRE and drive failures, so its not just a PS3 thing, it happens with any optical device. The 40Gbs have been out for long enough now for any real problem to be noticed, and TBH they are still few and far between for them and the new falcon 360s.
 
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