Yet another nail in the coffin of the NHS

Ok, so 1/4 of children born in this country are to foreign born mothers. A truly shocking statistic but what does it actually mean?

Are we talking a majority of illegal/undesirable immigrants here just long enough to pop out a sprog so they can't be deported or people who may have lived here since they were one but happened to be born somewhere else?
 
Fourstar said:
Ok, so 1/4 of children born in this country are to foreign born mothers. A truly shocking statistic but what does it actually mean?

Are we talking a majority of illegal/undesirable immigrants here just long enough to pop out a sprog so they can't be deported or people who may have lived here since they were one but happened to be born somewhere else?
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Foreign-born includes anyone who wasn't born in the United Kingdom:p...so both.
 
sr4470 said:
Foreign-born includes anyone who wasn't born in the United Kingdom:p...so both.
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What I really mean is how many of these foreign born mothers are a net benefit to our country and how many are benefit sucking opportunists.

I'm all for migration if it benefits the me^M^M the country. We should migrate our prison population to Thailand and get the benefits of globalised outsourcing. It costs ~£30,000 per year for a prisoner here. With a little haggling Thailand should be able to do it for a couple of grand and still make a handsome profit.

Same goes for long term benefit recipients. Send them to China and give them the standard wage of $1 a day and $1 for the Chinese government to make it worth their while. Bargain!

With fewer people uk housing shortages will drop and we'll have more space for those hard working Poles.
 
Fourstar said:
What I really mean is how many of these foreign born mothers are a net benefit to our country and how many are benefit sucking opportunists.

I'm all for migration if it benefits the me^M^M the country. We should migrate our prison population to Thailand and get the benefits of globalised outsourcing. It costs ~£30,000 per year for a prisoner here. With a little haggling Thailand should be able to do it for a couple of grand and still make a handsome profit.

Same goes for long term benefit recipients. Send them to China and give them the standard wage of $1 a day and $1 for the Chinese government to make it worth their while. Bargain!

With fewer people uk housing shortages will drop and we'll have more space for those hard working Poles.
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Okay you have got my vote.
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Fourstar said:
Same goes for long term benefit recipients. Send them to China and give them the standard wage of $1 a day and $1 for the Chinese government to make it worth their while. Bargain!

With fewer people uk housing shortages will drop and we'll have more space for those hard working Poles.
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Why do you think the Poles, etc come here? Stop and think about that for a minute...

Also, if you shipped off anyone who became unemployed, most of the country will have gone by a decade or so - we'd just have low-paid immigrants left. It isn't the 70s any more.
 
sr4470 said:
Why do you think the Poles, etc come here? Stop and think about that for a minute...
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They earn more here in a week than working back home for a month; thus they work, post the money back to family (be it nuclear or extended), like many work seeking immigrants?
 
Dr Jones said:
They earn more here in a week than working back home for a month; thus they work, post the money back to family (be it nuclear or extended), like many work seeking immigrants?
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If they become a majority, the wages will fall drastically and it will be no better than Poland for most people...

It also wouldn't suprise me if the few million people that have arrived since 1997 have been altering the usual voting patterns as well.
 
sr4470 said:
If they become a majority, the wages will fall drastically and it will be no better than Poland for most people...
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Not quite true...
There are so many variety of work and there is always shortage for manual labour - people these days wouldn't get down and dirty for the quid (some even found more benefit than working the hours for the same amount, but that's beside the point)

I've recently noticed a surge in polish / eastern european local bus drivers in my area and the Bus company are really advertising hard to get drivers; no natives would work for it, naturally, job seeking immigrants would take it - it's not always "they came and stole the jobs", sometimes, it's the native's stubbiness to such jobs that's the reason why.
 
sr4470 said:
Then stop whining and change it?
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1) I'm not 'whining' per se, just pointing out that this is quite a shock
2) I'm not in a position to be able to change it significantly

Of course, that also begs the questions as to how that stat could be brought down:

a) Try and get more women born in the UK to have children
b) Try and stop so many women born overseas giving birth here

Of course in the long term, a) is likely to happen anyway since all these new children are being born in the UK. Attempting b) would probably be quite controversial and would require significant amounts of legislation, some of which could be deemed immoral in some circles.
 
Dr Jones said:
Not quite true...
There are so many variety of work and there is always shortage for manual labour - people these days wouldn't get down and dirty for the quid (some even found more benefit than working the hours for the same amount, but that's beside the point)
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So why are so many jobs minimum wage?:confused: maybe my view is skewed because I'm sat on top of an airport, but I see no shortages here.

Dr Jones said:
I've recently noticed a surge in polish / eastern european local bus drivers in my area and the Bus company are really advertising hard to get drivers; no natives would work for it, naturally, job seeking immigrants would take it - it's not always "they came and stole the jobs", sometimes, it's the native's stubbiness to such jobs that's the reason why.
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When did I say that? If you're going to build a strawman I'm wasting my time here...

My point was about driving down wages.

Now as for bus drivers, I don't know what the reasons are - are you saying that locals turn down free training and competitive wages? Is this a trend across the sector or just bus driving jobs?
 
HangTime said:
Of course, that also begs the questions as to how that stat could be brought down:

a) Try and get more women born in the UK to have children
b) Try and stop so many women born overseas giving birth here

Of course in the long term, a) is likely to happen anyway since all these new children are being born in the UK. Attempting b) would probably be quite controversial and would require significant amounts of legislation, some of which could be deemed immoral in some circles.
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Or we could just limit immigration to skilled workers? ;)
 
sr4470 said:
When did I say that? If you're going to build a strawman I'm wasting my time here...

My point was about driving down wages.

Now as for bus drivers, I don't know what the reasons are - are you saying that locals turn down free training and competitive wages? Is this a trend across the sector or just bus driving jobs?
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I know you mean "driving down wages" but I'm just showing an example of a local sector looking for workers but only to have "hard working poles" snap them up whilst the native queue outside the job centres?
 
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