Nearing the age of 17, first car questions

mjt said:
dude, you don't need a 125kw (170bhp) 850! it's far too powerful for your needs
especially as you live in holland, where you get fined for going 3km/h over the limit
and €95 a month is quite a lot, it's €1140 a year, you can get decent car insured for half that
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Perhaps, I'll see when I'll drive.

That is rubbish though, the garmin 250w always warns my dad when he's dring too fast past camera's and the camera locations are updated a lot, even the mobile spots for the whole week are updated and put on the map of the nav, driving 10-15 kph too fast never attracts the unmarked cops either, they only go after people going REALLY too fast. Cops always say the spots they'll stand for the next week, and there are sites that daily also name the places where they were are not announced.

Police is very easy to avoid.

Although I only say this to counter your comment, I have no intention of racing through around here yet. I really think I will go to germany quite soon after getting a car tbh, it's only 90 minutes driving for me.
 
They should raise the driving age to 20 I think.

I was a complete pleb driving at 17, I got a driving ban which taught me a lesson. I thought my Ford Ka was a Ferrari. Good job I was limited to a Ford Ka really, apart from the dangerously slow overtakes.
 
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johnnyfive said:
I was a complete pleb driving at 17, I got a driving ban which taught me a lesson.
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Thats all there is to say. Theres nothing wrong with driving at 17, you forget that without it it would become impossible for youngsters to have some of the best years of their lives. Without that freedom you would be a child until you left home, imo that would kill more people that the odd car crash, metaphorically if not physically.

Besides look at the figures, 1000's of kids passs in a city per day and a handful die, even out of those a bet only a few were down purely to inexperience and age. You raise it to 20 and you get idiot 20 year olds, what then, 30? 40? 50? only let people drive when they have nothing to loose if they die? See where im goin?
 
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Ultra_Extreme said:
Theres nothing wrong with driving at 17, you forget that without it it would become impossible for youngsters to have some of the best years of their lives. Without that freedom you would be a child until you left home, imo that would kill more people that the odd car crash, metaphorically if not physically.
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Impossible? Not at all. I can certainly imagine it changes things, but not as drastically as you make out.
 
this whole conversation is academic. he's not even 17, and you can't take your test until you're 18 in holland.
is it really worth having your own car when you're learning to drive anyway? just use your parents.. you can't drive by yourself on a provisional if you're under 18 anyway can you?
 
this whole conversation is academic. he's not even 17, and you can't take your test until you're 18 in holland.
is it really worth having your own car when you're learning to drive anyway? just use your parents.. you can't drive by yourself on a provisional if you're under 18 anyway can you?
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I can start learning to drive from 17, you are allowed to drive @ 17 and get a licence at that age if accompanied by someone who has had a licence for at least 5 years when driving. That was recently introduced.

is it really worth having your own car when you're learning to drive anyway?
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Yes, my dad is an *** sometimes, thinks when I borrow one little thing off him, ask him for help only once etcetc, that I owe him for the next few weeks and he keeps coming back to that moment askign me for help every time daily with rubbish he can easely do himself and is too lazy to do and pretends he can't. Besides he's buying a 3l C5 soon I doubt driving in a 3.0l C5 would be any better than in a 2.5 850.

So you plan on checking every time you make a journey?
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Not really, but one of my parents does and if I want to be in a hurry on a day I can't see any problem with quickly updating the nav, and checking my drive path for camera's and perhaps writing em down if needed, 2 mins max...
 
yeh so you can't drive unaccompanied..
so chances are you'll be driving with your parents, which means you might as well use their car? i can't see why you'd want to waste money on your own now.
you should save up and get one after you've passed

btw, you're his son - that's what you're there for - doing things he could do but can't be bothered with :D
 
mjt said:
yeh so you can't drive unaccompanied..
so chances are you'll be driving with your parents, which means you might as well use their car? i can't see why you'd want to waste money on your own now.
you should save up and get one after you've passed

btw, you're his son - that's what you're there for - doing things he could do but can't be bothered with :D
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I was saying buy a car @ 18, wich is in erm. 14 months...
Even accompanied, I'd not be holding back at all my dad is a fast driver himself and knows how to avoid the police, even though he ususally drives 1-20kph faster than usual he still hasn't had an accident in more than 25 years, hence I'm a bit sceptical about you guys saying I'll crash, as for the people close to me I can't see any... What I'm saying is though, I doubt my dad will comment if I'd drive a bit too fast in his, not that I'd drive a lot with him anyhow, if at all. That's irrelevant anyhow though.

This thread is just because I want to buy a very nice car when I'm 18, that's all... And I want to know how much I should start saving.
Offcourse, I could just wait with saving and buy a fiat panda for 200 instead of an astra for 500, but I don't want such a car tbh...
I've come across a range of cars, and now find the 850 the most likely choice.
Now I just want to know if there's anything wrong with the cars...
 
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oh, this is for when you're 18..
come back in 14 months then :p

anyway, after a year of driving your views on what car you want might change..
so just save up as much as you can and ask us again next year ;D
 
snowdog said:
Even accompanied, I'd not be holding back at all my dad is a fast driver himself and knows how to avoid the police, even though he ususally drives 1-20kph faster than usual he still hasn't had an accident in more than 25 years, hence I'm a bit sceptical about you guys saying I'll crash
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You SERIOUSLY need to do some growing up in the next 14 months (and that is coming from a 20 yr old). You are sceptical about us saying you'll crash, just because you dad hasn't crashed in 25 years? Are you really that retarded to think that just because your dad hasn't crashed, that you won't?! Its like saying 'oh my grandma smoked 20 a day for 40 years and lived to 90, i guess i can smoke 20 a day and live 'til 90 too!'

Can't help but think you sound exactly like the kids in this article - http://www.ocala.com/article/20080127/BREAKING_NEWS/274162577/1053/BREAKING_NEWS.

Just do us a favour, when you go flying into a tree whilst doing over 100mph, don't take anyone else with you.
 
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TheVoice said:
Impossible? Not at all. I can certainly imagine it changes things, but not as drastically as you make out.
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depends where you live m8, closest town to me is 8 miles, no busses most of the time, surf spots are all over the shop and inaccessible to public transport etc

Depends what your childhood was like. Personally i think for a lot of people road trips and arsing about late at night is part of being between 17-21. After that you get a car just for work/family trips and maybe if your an enthusiast get a track car. Lets be honest when else can you drive a tricked out Saxo? :D
 
You might be sat there, saying how your going to drive fast now, get behind the wheel - punt the gas, and let me see your bottle last past 60mph. It sounds so easy before you start learning, then someone says - right now accelerate to 60 or 70 and all of a sudden you realise its just a bit quick. It takes experience to get the nerve to drive like your dad does, and the skill. Dont expect to have F1 skillz the second you hop in the seat.
 
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