My opinions on Vista SP1, 8 months later..

Wow, yes I must be an idiot for not sharing your opinion :)

I guess all the businesses and IT professionals shunning Vista are idiots too.

You're fighting a losing battle mate... according to Nathan and Dolph et al the sun shines from Vistas softwarse and anyone who doesn't agree MUST be incompetent or stupid, possibly both.

Or how arrogant and ignorant somebody can be at the same time ;)

To be fair yours and Dolphs posts in any Vista vs XP thread are arrogant and often a tad patronising... so criticising someone else for it is a tad hypocritical imo.

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That's not really true though is it.

No IT dept or business is going to roll-out a new OS until there is a decent knowledge base and reasonable expertise they can call upon.

We have only just finished our XP roll-out to over 8000 desktops and we have had to retain some 98 machines because some of our bespoke software isn't compatible.

However, we are already looking to commence our Vista programme, but roll-out won't start until 2009 when we've finished our assessments.

You've only just finished rolling out XP company-wide?.:D
 
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Installing Vista? If you do a clean install of it (which is recommended), then yes. It'll usually put a 'Windows.OLD' directory on the hard-drive which contains your old Program Files etc so you can recover them, but most of it won't be functional. Best course of action is to start with an entirely clean slate though.

I did this 2 weeks ago.
It very cleverly made the windows.old and put everything into it which took ages.
I then thought I had a clean install of Vista and started to put a few progs on like Office, Firefox etc but to my amazement on re-booting it was telling me that progs like Anapod & Smartboard hadn't loaded properly:confused:
Very confusing because I hadn't installed them yet, so my new Vista install was obviously reading from my old Vista install.
 
You're fighting a losing battle mate... according to Nathan and Dolph et al the sun shines from Vistas softwarse and anyone who doesn't agree MUST be incompetent or stupid, possibly both.

To be fair yours and Dolphs posts in any Vista vs XP thread are arrogant and often a tad patronising... so criticising someone else for it is a tad hypocritical imo.

You've only just finished rolling out XP company-wide?.:D

Again the only issue with vista is the time remaining/transfer issue - which is fixed in SP1.

Superfetch is great

Indexing is great

Don't like indexing? Turn it off, simple as. Games are up to speed, drivers have caught up (not sure about all areas).
 
To be fair yours and Dolphs posts in any Vista vs XP thread are arrogant and often a tad patronising... so criticising someone else for it is a tad hypocritical imo.
I don't know why you think that... the problem is that I can usually back up what I say with hard facts. People sometimes take this as an attack on themselves because they don't like being proved wrong :/ Well that is their problem IMO - they should learn to educate themselves first before posting FUD on forums. If you don't like my posting style then fair enough but to be honest it hasn't changed in donkey's years... :(

No offence to Dirtydog, but he hasn't really substantiated his claims that Vista is crap and has instead resorted to just copping out with "everyone else is wrong but I don't have to explain why" and the like. Other than using the same tech media FUD time and again and a few of his own opinions (e.g. the Up button functionality, which I partly agree with him on). He has vaguely claimed he doesn't like the "design" of Vista but hasn't expanded upon that yet. Again, don't want to "start anything" here. I actually look forward to the day that I can have a reasoned and mature debate with Dirtydog about Vista (or Windows 7).
 
I don't know why you think that... the problem is that I can usually back up what I say with hard facts. People sometimes take this as an attack on themselves because they don't like being proved wrong :/ Well that is their problem IMO - they should learn to educate themselves first before posting FUD on forums. If you don't like my posting style then fair enough but to be honest it hasn't changed in donkey's years... :(

No offence to Dirtydog, but he hasn't really substantiated his claims that Vista is crap and has instead resorted to just copping out with "everyone else is wrong but I don't have to explain why" and the like. Other than using the same tech media FUD time and again and a few of his own opinions (e.g. the Up button functionality, which I partly agree with him on). He has vaguely claimed he doesn't like the "design" of Vista but hasn't expanded upon that yet. Again, don't want to "start anything" here. I actually look forward to the day that I can have a reasoned and mature debate with Dirtydog about Vista (or Windows 7).

Don't take what I said personally... it's not as though I get anything more than a passing annoyance about it (I don't let forums get to me, been using them far too long for that), and i'm sure you're a lovely bloke in real life etc etc. I just find that you and Dolph seem to be very dismissive of other peoples opinions if they conflict with your own, which I think in turn is exacerbated by the cold and impersonal nature of forums. *shrugs*
 
The hard drive is 'Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB SATA-II 16MB Cache' bought around a year ago, but Vista itself was running on an IDE WD 40gb 7200 8mb which i think i was copying stuff to and from when i got the reading, and not my SATA.

I've not tried HDtach before, so i'll give it a whirl now i'm back on XP until Vista SP1 is released officially, then compare the results.
 
when is the official release of Vista SP1?
Think it is 4 February:):

It appears that TechARP has received confirmation from Microsoft that the final version of Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) will be released on 4 February.

Update: Note that this is still not fully confirmed, furthermore a Release to Manufacturing date of 4 February does not necessarily mean a public release on that date.

http://www.tweakguides.com/
 
Here are the results in XP:

SATA

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IDE

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I'm curious as to why there is a spike in the last one that goes to 45mb/s :o
 
Think it is 4 February:):

It appears that TechARP has received confirmation from Microsoft that the final version of Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1) will be released on 4 February.

Update: Note that this is still not fully confirmed, furthermore a Release to Manufacturing date of 4 February does not necessarily mean a public release on that date.

http://www.tweakguides.com/
"If" SP1 RTMs tomorrow (mon 4th) it's first be shipped to OEM, Devs & Beta testers via MSDN site, Connect etc. RTW and Windows update will be sometime after.

I'm sure there will be leaked copies appear quickly (get a major update to my OS from an unknown or verified source, don't think so matey! :) ) but it's unlikely that there will be general availability for a week or two.
 
I'm curious as to why there is a spike in the last one that goes to 45mb/s :o
Because another process accessed the HDD at the same time?

How can you possibly compare 2 OSes by using a different hard drive though? :\

Going back to the "I'm an IT professional" comment, aren't a load of us here? I know there are a few idiots (I've got a 180mb TIF file I want to use as my desktop comes to mind) for what's apparently a dedicated overclocking forum, but there's some very informed and measured guys too. To suggest you're above them because you get paid to do something is normally very wrong. You might have a degree of expertise (and without backing it up, it's worthless anyway), but you can almost guarantee there are members who are better at you at everything you can do, and much better in many cases. There aren't many exceptions which spring to my mind since I've been a member here.
 
To be fair yours and Dolphs posts in any Vista vs XP thread are arrogant and often a tad patronising... so criticising someone else for it is a tad hypocritical imo.
Interesting, I've not noticed that at all. If anything Nathan and Dolphs posts seem to based on facts rather than the unsubstantiated waffle and biase of some other posts.

In fact it's often posts about Windows from a two or three regular anti MS/Vista/windows posters that tend to be full of attitude with the normal "M$", "do you work for M$", "How are your M$ shares" jibes. Coupled with insinuations that anyone who finds Vista to work well and an improvement over XP must somehow be dim and have been fooled by marketing. It's no suprise that you get a strong response from the overwhelming majoity of posters.

To be fair with the exception of Nathan, Dolph and a couple of others most of us have long given up trying to debate using fact as it appears to have no place in the vast majority of anti Vista arguments.

Incidentaly, as an "IT Professional :rolleyes:" I can tell you that we've deployed Vista widely (in excess of 30,000 seats to date) and have so far fewer problems from end users and hardware drivers etc than we had either with XP on release or SP2 both of which had major compatability problems at the time.

It never ceases to make me chuckle to read how people complain about the security features in Vista holding up SP2 as the paragon of a slim OS. How quickly they seem to have forgotton the accusations from Win 98 and 2000 users of the time about how XP was bloatware with major driver problems. Lets not forget how SP2 was the devil incarnate and they'd keep using SP1 because the firewall and other security changes in SP2 broke huge quantities of apps and changed how people used their PC.

XP SP2 is a mature, stable OS although at 7 years old (and deigned before then) it's at the end of it's life. The world of IT (and internet especially) has moved on, you can only patch (using in the literal sense) old code so much to take advantage of advances in both technology and security.

Of course XP was designed to run on PCs with Pentium II procs and 512mb of RAM 7 or 8 years ago so of course it flies on modern hardware. I expect we'll be hearing the same thing about Vista in 4 or 5 years time when the averge user is on 8 core 8GB RAM, Flash drive machines. Of course some will then be complaining about this pants new Windows 7 and how Vista SP2 is a fast stable slim OS. :)

If you have an older PC XP SP2 will do sterling service for years to come, if you have newer hardware and technology Vista is the way to go as will Win7 in a few years. It's the nature of IT at the moment to progress.
 
I am an IT professional too. I specialise in Project Managing operating system migrations.

The company I recently worked for (FTSE100 company) are just finishing their 4000 desk NT/W2K to XP. One of the other PM's did a proof of concept for Vista. Didnt go any further than the proof of concept! The company were just not happy to spend the money upgrading hardware, re-training staff and investing in the infrastructure to cope with the extra demands. Far too costly for the benefits gained

This is where MS messed up really. With the additional hardware demands, when you start looking at upgrades in the 1000's, companies are reluctant in today economic climate. A lot of major companies are waiting for SP1 to be signed off internally. I know a lot of comapnies are running proof of concepts, and the larger companies (10000 seat+) are very hesitant. Some companies have vista in place but were talking on a much smaller scale.

For the home use, both XP and Vista have pros and cons. I personally do not use Vista as I have a wireless N network and the driver support isn't very good and I have issues. I use XP as it does everything I need it to do. I worked with very from very early releases and RC1 and now the final versions. A lot of issues are resolved, but there are still too many for me to warrent changing 3 pc's and 2 laptops at home.
 
benktlottie can you please clarify the reasons you don't like Vista and the issues you have experienced with it? I'm asking due to genuine interest.
 
Interesting, I've not noticed that at all. If anything Nathan and Dolphs posts seem to based on facts rather than the unsubstantiated waffle and biase of some other posts.

In fact it's often posts about Windows from a two or three regular anti MS/Vista/windows posters that tend to be full of attitude with the normal "M$", "do you work for M$", "How are your M$ shares" jibes. Coupled with insinuations that anyone who finds Vista to work well and an improvement over XP must somehow be dim and have been fooled by marketing. It's no suprise that you get a strong response from the overwhelming majoity of posters.

To be fair with the exception of Nathan, Dolph and a couple of others most of us have long given up trying to debate using fact as it appears to have no place in the vast majority of anti Vista arguments.

Incidentaly, as an "IT Professional :rolleyes:" I can tell you that we've deployed Vista widely (in excess of 30,000 seats to date) and have so far fewer problems from end users and hardware drivers etc than we had either with XP on release or SP2 both of which had major compatability problems at the time.

It never ceases to make me chuckle to read how people complain about the security features in Vista holding up SP2 as the paragon of a slim OS. How quickly they seem to have forgotton the accusations from Win 98 and 2000 users of the time about how XP was bloatware with major driver problems. Lets not forget how SP2 was the devil incarnate and they'd keep using SP1 because the firewall and other security changes in SP2 broke huge quantities of apps and changed how people used their PC.

XP SP2 is a mature, stable OS although at 7 years old (and deigned before then) it's at the end of it's life. The world of IT (and internet especially) has moved on, you can only patch (using in the literal sense) old code so much to take advantage of advances in both technology and security.

Of course XP was designed to run on PCs with Pentium II procs and 512mb of RAM 7 or 8 years ago so of course it flies on modern hardware. I expect we'll be hearing the same thing about Vista in 4 or 5 years time when the averge user is on 8 core 8GB RAM, Flash drive machines. Of course some will then be complaining about this pants new Windows 7 and how Vista SP2 is a fast stable slim OS. :)

If you have an older PC XP SP2 will do sterling service for years to come, if you have newer hardware and technology Vista is the way to go as will Win7 in a few years. It's the nature of IT at the moment to progress.

Great post.
 
I am an IT professional too. I specialise in Project Managing operating system migrations.

The company I recently worked for (FTSE100 company) are just finishing their 4000 desk NT/W2K to XP. One of the other PM's did a proof of concept for Vista. Didnt go any further than the proof of concept! The company were just not happy to spend the money upgrading hardware, re-training staff and investing in the infrastructure to cope with the extra demands. Far too costly

The flaw in your argument is that only just now after 7 years that the company your working for is just moving over to XP so it would not be expected for them to jump over to Vista anytime soon & the hardware demand is irrelevant because in 7 years the avg PC will be more than a match for vista.
It ain't like your company is using XP on 486 66DX because of cost of upgrading.
 
I am an IT professional too. I specialise in Project Managing operating system migrations.

The company I recently worked for (FTSE100 company) are just finishing their 4000 desk NT/W2K to XP. One of the other PM's did a proof of concept for Vista. Didnt go any further than the proof of concept! The company were just not happy to spend the money upgrading hardware, re-training staff and investing in the infrastructure to cope with the extra demands. Far too costly for the benefits gained

This is where MS messed up really. With the additional hardware demands, when you start looking at upgrades in the 1000's, companies are reluctant in today economic climate. A lot of major companies are waiting for SP1 to be signed off internally. I know a lot of comapnies are running proof of concepts, and the larger companies (10000 seat+) are very hesitant. Some companies have vista in place but were talking on a much smaller scale.

For the home use, both XP and Vista have pros and cons. I personally do not use Vista as I have a wireless N network and the driver support isn't very good and I have issues. I use XP as it does everything I need it to do. I worked with very from very early releases and RC1 and now the final versions. A lot of issues are resolved, but there are still too many for me to warrent changing 3 pc's and 2 laptops at home.
Agreed, actually for us it's not been too much of a problem as we've coupled the Vista deployment to the scheduled rolling hardware refresh for the oldest PCs along with deploying onto the more recent Vista capable desktops and laptops.

I certainly expect Vista to be a more attractive update to companies with Win2000 based estates in need of a hardware/OS refresh than companies that have only finished XP SP2 migrations in the last year or two.

I suspect most large companies chose to alternate OS releases and the XP Sp2 deployments will be more likely to get updated to Windows 7 SP1 ( ;) ) in a few years.
 
Huh? :confused: Are you being sarcastic and you meant to say 16MB?

With 1GB of RAM it accesses the HDD virtually constantly.

that's the one flaw with vista, no memory = disaster

i even find 2gb not enough for day to day tasks but, 4gb is the sweet spot with this OS.

if you're using DDR2 4gb costs peanuts, apart from that Vista is a fine OS no matter what anybody says. if you don't have the hardware requirements to run it then stick with XP.
 
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