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It's not fair on a dog to leave it locked up at home, inside or out, while you leave it for 8 hours+ during the day.
i remember when i got my golden lab at 8 weeks....he was big then with massive paws......hes a bloody donkey now! literally.....we kept him in the kitchen for a while but now he romes around the house, doesnt chew a thing nor do anything he shouldnt even scares people away when they come 
even scares people away when they come Just because the dog wants to go outside "scratching at the door", doesn't mean he wants to live outside. Dogs don't require it 24/7 no, but LABS as a breed require more then other breeds, thus leaving them alone for longer then 4 hours is mistreating them.
Living outside means less interaction with humans, which takes them longer to learn to adapt. Shame you kept your dog outside all night and day, dogs are for company, not to stick in a garden.
Freeze tail isn't just from extreme cold, its just general prolonged cold weather. When you see a dog with it come back and tell me how you felt, because it really isn't very nice.
No, not in extreme cold, my dog got it from sticking his head out of our bedroom window to watch people go past, he did that for no more then 20mins and the next day he had it. That was 3 weeks ago.
Not everyone was born with the spoon in there mouth, so i have to deal with what i have. He has 2x 1 hour walks a day, 3 swimming trips a week. I do what i can to get him out and active.
I think the real problem is people using dogs as substitutes for children. Dogs are fantastic animals, and should be respected; not forced to live in an unnatural and unsuitable environment. I'm going to repeat a question I raised earlier, which remains unanswered: plenty of other domestic animals are kept outdoors; why should dogs be any different?
I think your forgetting that DOMESTICATED dogs are not wild animals and thus shouldn't be kept outside like wild animals.
"The loyalty and devotion that dogs demonstrate as part of their natural instincts as pack animals closely mimics the human idea of love and friendship, leading many dog owners to view their pets as full-fledged family members. Conversely, dogs seem to view their human companions as members of their pack, and make few, if any, distinctions between their owners and fellow dogs."
Do you see wild animals leaving part of there "pack" alone? Would you leave a human member of your family alone outside for 5 hours a day? Hell if you did im pretty sure you'd be arrested for it.
Fair enough my knowledge on staffies isn't great, i never admitted it was great, but nothing will change my opinion on them, I'll avoid them until they are banned from being bred in the uk, which wont be too long.
So i ask to educate my self, why when puppy staffies play can you hear there jaws "locking" or "snapping" when they try to lick you? And why are they one top bred dogs for jaw strength?
Jack Russells are known for hunting animals and don't have that much of a strong jaw.
Then answer me this. If you left the dog in the house all the time, it would STILL be without human interaction would it not? Outside, inside, upside down or back to front, it's still on it's own. WHERE it is kept is irrelevant. Providing it has secure surroungs, plenty of water a place to get warm and is out of danger there really is no problems at all. They can survive far better than you or I can.
You allowed your dog to stick it's head out of a window? Tut tut shame on you. What if.... Nar, you get my drift!!
And THIS coming from someone that preached about a dogs natural eating patterns!! Jesus man, either they ARE domesticated or they are NOT. Make up your mind and stick to it.
If this gets me banned, then so be it. But you are a bloody idiot. No wonder staffies may intimidate you if you have that attitude around them.
AGAIN go and do your research correctly, come back here and tell everyone what you have found. Pound for pound per square inch a LABRADORS jaw is MORE than a staffies. Again, FACT!!!
St. Bernards are known for rescuing people on a mountain but I don't see many with bloody skis and sun cream.
Oh please.
Teki you really should do some reading up on staffies. If you're going to start talking about banning viscous dog breeds have a read of this.
Source http://www.stopdogattacks.com/dogbitestatistics/ukdogbitestats
Shame this thread has got a little personal really, it could've been a really constructive one
Seems the way nowadays mate. Rather than have a decent discussion it just turns into a points scoring competition.
Everybody knows i Love my Dog & i came in here to talk about dogs, After reading all the Waffle I really can't be ***** to say anything more than
@ Everything that Taki bloke says. Is laughing in the face of a member considered a personal attack, No. So here you go
O.P.
A Dog is an Animal Not a Human being, He'll love it in the yard as long as he has a good waterproof Shelter & Water & a few bones/Toys. He can chase the birds, Listen to all the sounds, bark his head off, Dig holes & generally mooch about in the Fresh air
I say this because you have Already said that you pop home at dinner time & he comes in whenever he wants or when the weather is particularly bad. Dogs are pack animals & socialising them is very important. Have you considered getting another dog ? I know it seems a lot to take on but having two dogs is easier than one in your situation as they rely on each other rather than you.
Lovely dog though mate, Cheers for sharing
If you think keeping a dog outside is ok then do it, im not telling you what to do, just giving my opinion.
It wasnt a moving car.
Thank you for reading my other post and actually remembering what i put. Keeping a domesticated dog outside and claiming its a wild animal is in my opinion cruel.
Feeding a dog on natural food to match its wild behaviour is providing it with the things its body needs. Dogs do not need colour in there food, they do not need cereals in there food. They need meat, bones, vegetables and so on.
Dogs should be fed a wild dog diet but live as a domesticated animal.
I was asking to be educated, wasn't trying to be cocky or arrogant, i wanted to know why they do that.
Source? Labradors where first bred to bring in fishing nets from boats, that requires body strength and jaw strength. Then through years and years of breeding and training they where trained into gun dogs.
You watch a gun dog trail and tell me a lab has a stronger jaw then a staffy, you'll be probably shot by the owners because that is complete bull****. If the lab puts a tooth mark in the game, the bird has to be discarded, that requires an extremely delicate jaw.
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I just did some research, which took me no longer then 2 mins.
Before the nineteenth century, bloodsports such as bull baiting, bear baiting and **** fighting were common. Bulls brought to market were set upon by dogs as a way of tenderising the meat and providing entertainment for the spectators; and dog fights with bears, bulls and other animals were often organised as entertainment for both royalty and commoners. Early Bull and Terriers were not bred for the handsome visual specimen of today, rather they were bred for the characteristic known as gameness. The pitting of dogs against bear or bull tested the gameness, strength and skill of the dog. These early "proto-staffords" provided the ancestral foundation stock for the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, the American Pit Bull Terrier with the exception of the American Staffordshire Terrier.
As a result of their dog fighting heritage, one of the problems noticed in this breed is a tendency of aggression towards other dogs. It must be understood that even a Staffordshire Bull Terrier with "good" temperament may fight when challenged by another dog and should therefore be adequately controlled in public places.
Avoiding aggression can also be aided by proper socialisation and training of the puppy. Puppies should be regularly exposed to the full gamut of situations that they are likely to encounter as older dogs. Regular, supervised contact with other dogs, children and any other family pet, along with early obedience training will help ensure that the dog grows into a well-socialised animal.
That shows me it was bred for fighting, has high aggression to other dogs and should be watched around children.
Labradors have a reputation as a very mellow breed and an excellent family dog (including a good reputation with children of all ages and other animals)
The smaller short-coat retrievers used for retrieval and pulling in nets from the water were the forebears of the Labrador Retriever.#
Oh and on the japanese akita.
Akitas are devoted protectors of children in its pack, and it is said that Japanese mothers often left their children with only the Akitas to watch over and protect them.
That to me doesn't say there not suitable for children.
Before the nineteenth century, bloodsports such as bull baiting, bear baiting and **** fighting were common. Bulls brought to market were set upon by dogs as a way of tenderising the meat and providing entertainment for the spectators; and dog fights with bears, bulls and other animals were often organised as entertainment for both royalty and commoners. Early Bull and Terriers were not bred for the handsome visual specimen of today, rather they were bred for the characteristic known as gameness. The pitting of dogs against bear or bull tested the gameness, strength and skill of the dog. These early "proto-staffords" provided the ancestral foundation stock for the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, the American Pit Bull Terrier with the exception of the American Staffordshire Terrier.
As a result of their dog fighting heritage, one of the problems noticed in this breed is a tendency of aggression towards other dogs. It must be understood that even a Staffordshire Bull Terrier with "good" temperament may fight when challenged by another dog and should therefore be adequately controlled in public places.
Avoiding aggression can also be aided by proper socialisation and training of the puppy. Puppies should be regularly exposed to the full gamut of situations that they are likely to encounter as older dogs. Regular, supervised contact with other dogs, children and any other family pet, along with early obedience training will help ensure that the dog grows into a well-socialised animal.
That shows me it was bred for fighting, has high aggression to other dogs and should be watched around children.
Labradors have a reputation as a very mellow breed and an excellent family dog (including a good reputation with children of all ages and other animals)
The smaller short-coat retrievers used for retrieval and pulling in nets from the water were the forebears of the Labrador Retriever.#
Oh and on the japanese akita.
Akitas are devoted protectors of children in its pack, and it is said that Japanese mothers often left their children with only the Akitas to watch over and protect them.
That to me doesn't say there not suitable for children.
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Eh im confused, you said they get it from the cold, and your dog got it from sticking its head out of a stopped car for 20 mins? so you dont walk your dog in the cold then :s
Sorry, it didnt know it was hard to understand what i originally put.
It was our bedroom window.
Ah, can u give any more info or a link into what the problem is?
Just weve got two labs, just over a year old, both Pedigree and mother and father checked etc down the breeding line no probs, then my dog has nothing but problems poor thing for his first year, he developed alleries on his skin, Vets ran loads of tests and only found a slight allergy to fleas, dont know how though as theyre treated for fleas :/ but hes all fine now, vet said it could be something that comes back certain seasons or might not come back ever again, then they got conjuncitivis, which was annoying as they were playing with another pup then the owners told us it had only just recovered from it "Yea thanks :/"
Out Labs are usually only alone for no more than 4 hours on the average day, but there is two of them and they dont wreck the house, but as its cold atm theyre out a lot in it lol and swimming in cold water and seem fine atm, is this problem something they can get or are others more susceptible to it?
Here lies the problem Son, Us men built the World Before Google. You don't know what you are talking about, Please stop Embarrasing yourself.
That goes for ALL dogs
I'm assuming you mean cold tail or limber tail and if so it's not only cold. It can be caused simply by the dog wagging its' tail. The fact is that even vets aren't totally sure what causes it.
That's unusual and unlucky. Conjunctivitis is normally a result of some sort of inflammation caused by grit or something getting into the eye(s), I suppose it's possible that may be what's happened here too.
I respect your views on dog welfare but can't totally agree with it. We've had working labs in the family for over 40 years. We always used to have them living outdoors, 365 days a year in the North of Scotland. Not once did any of them get cold/freeze/limber tail, nor can I remember any getting conjunctivitis.
First i'd like to say well done for checking there breeding lines, not many people do that.
There just like any breeds and can get it from contact from other dogs and from cold getting in the eye. This is what the vet told us, so i didn't need to do any searching up on it.
To check if they have it, pull back the top eye lid and check for any redness, red eye or blood veins appearing, if the eye gets more red and starts to discharge a sort of white/green thick fluid then they have it.
Its easy to treat, just get eye drops from the vet and use them everyday, otherwise it'll come back.
As for the allergies you might want to check there diet, maybe change the food to something with less additives.
Many cases of skin disease are due to an undiagnosed adverse reaction to food ingredients and a change of diet which eliminates the offending ingredients will be effective.
In my opinion, use NatureDiet. No additives, no crap, just meat, bone, oil and carrots.
Here's a little quiz:
- What is the natural environment of a dog? Is it:
(a) an healthy, natural, outdoor environment
(b) an artificial environment specifically designed for human beings
- Dingoes were originally domestic dogs which later turned feral. They subsequently thrived in the wild for 3,500 years because:
(a) they were just BLOODY LUCKY for several millennia
(b) dogs are perfectly capable of living outdoors in a natural environment, whether domesticated or not
Answers on a postcard to this thread.
Poppycock. 4 hours? ********. Dogs aren't human babies. 4 hours on their own is a great opportunity for them to sleep, roll in the grass, enjoy the fresh air, sniff around the garden, play with their toys, gnaw their favourite bone, bark at birds, run all over the place like a mad thing, and do all the other fun things that dogs love to do.
Newsflash! I occasionally brought my dog inside for company, and - this may shock you - I actually went outside and played with my dog in the garden!!! Not only that, but I walked her regularly, and she had the company of my brother's dog 24/7. Not exactly a life of pain and suffering, was it?
I don't think you really understand what it means to have a proper relationship with an animal. You can't impose a human lifestyle on a dog; you must allow it to enjoy the benefits of its natural environment.
I lived in Tasmania for 15 years, which is the coldest state of Australia (where -5 degrees during winter is not uncommon). If nasty weather was on the way, my little dog came inside. If the weather was fine, she stayed out - and loved it. It's just plain common sense.
Agreed. I've never disputed this.
Born with a spoon in my mouth? If only! Big LULZ for you, matey.
I lived in the Tamar Valley; a semi-rural district of Tasmania, where 3/4 blocks are not uncommon and real estate is cheap. My family was not rich, and our house was very small by Australian standards:
Hardly a mansion.
Nonsense. It has nothing to do with the fact that they're not wild animals. Domesticated horses aren't wild animals, but they seem to get along just fine if you stick them in a nice big paddock with plenty to eat. Sheep, cows, pigs... hell, the list just goes on and on. All these animals live outside on a permanent basis (with the exception of horses, which are stabled occasionally) and it's no big deal. Natural environment = perfect place for animals. After all, that's where they were living when we first found and domesticated them.
In any case, domesticated dogs who are kept outside don't truly live as wild animals; they're provided with all the love, care, attention and medical treatment that wild dogs never receive. It's the best of both worlds: a natural environment with the benefits of human assistance.
Sure, I'd leave a human member of my family alone outside for 5 hours a day - if that's what they wanted to do. But your comparison fails, because you're not comparing like with like. Nature hasn't designed humans for a 100% outdoor lifestyle. We're too soft for that. By contrast, dogs are perfectly equipped for a life outdoors - and they love it.
In a later post, you wrote:
Teki187 said:
I don't know who this was addressed to, since nobody here has claimed that a domesticated dog is a wild animal. The point being made (repeatedly) is that domesticated dogs will thrive on an outdoor lifestyle, since this is how nature intended dogs to live. Keeping a domestic dog outside is not cruelty; it's natural. Keeping a domestic dog outside without caring for it, is cruelty. Viva la difference.
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This sounds like mine and my wifes pedigree choc lab ( Lucas)he's 5 years old and he's a big dog 8.5 stone of muscle. But he's a complete softy !
He's a big part of our family and very spoilt!
When we first got him we kept him in a dog cage at night or if we went out for a hour or so while he was a puppy so he didn't chew the house to bits!
But now he sleeps in one of our bed rooms at night or sleeps on the landing.
Good thing is we live near a golf course so he goes over there for a good run each day.When he was about 6 months old people would ask us how old he was and we'd say 6month they thought we said 6 years as he was that big.