Atheist Sees Image of Big Bang in Piece of Toast

[Conscript]

Actually, i don't want to get into a "God vs. Science debate" again because its ultimately pointless. No matter what you say Christians will retort with the "I believe it so its must be true" argument. You can neither prove nor disprove it, so its a waste of time arguing about it.

Anyway, back to the toast; is there a link to the story directly?

 

[Tefal]

Actually, i don't want to get into a "God vs. Science debate" again because its ultimately pointless. No matter what you say Christians will retort with the "I believe it so its must be true" argument. You can neither prove nor disprove it, so its a waste of time arguing about it.

Anyway, back to the toast; is there a link to the story directly?

a) you just tried to prove there was no god,

b) there is no story its a joke.

 

[yantorsen]

Really? Such as what?

for a start...

Christians consider the existence of their God to be an obvious truth

Most Christians don't consider this to be the case.

God's creation was originally perfect, but humans, by disobeying him, brought imperfection into the world. Humans are evil and sinful, and must suffer in this world because of their sinfulness. God gives humans the opportunity to accept forgiveness for their sin, and all who do will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven, but while they are on earth, they must suffer for his sake. All humans who choose not to accept this forgiveness must go to hell and be tormented for eternity.

That is a very bad interpretation of what the Bible actually says, and is paraphrased very badly.

the Bible, which Christians believe to be the perfect and true Word of God.

No, no Christians believe that everything in the Bible is the word of God, for example most of Psalms.

 

[D.P.]

I'm a believer...

 

[Conscript]

a) you just tried to prove there was no god,

b) there is no story its a joke.

No I didn't, I posted an article about the existence of God and said it would be an interesting read. And by story, I meant did it come from a site (Like cracked.com or something). Just wanted to link a friend to it that's all.

 

[yantorsen]

First, if God is omnipotent, then the assumption that freewill is necessary for happiness is false. If God could make it a rule that only beings with freewill may experience happiness, then he could just as easily have made it a rule that only robots may experience happiness.

God can't stop people feeling what they feel though, and nowhere does it say he can. If he could then it wouldn't be free will.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Does anyone realise the full implications of this!?!?!?!?! our universe could quite simply be a Mahoosive piece of Toast

And is it butter face up or down?

 

[yantorsen]

Actually, i don't want to get into a "God vs. Science debate" again because its ultimately pointless. No matter what you say Christians will retort with the "I believe it so its must be true" argument. You can neither prove nor disprove it, so its a waste of time arguing about it.

But it's not God vs Science because most people who believe in God don't think all science is false.

It's somewhat irrelevant as nothing in the bible really contradicts science unless you want it to to try and prove religion wrong.

 

[Conscript]

OK, the "Does God exist?" debate then. I thought you'd know what I meant.

 

[yantorsen]

Title:

Why the Christian God is Impossible

Intro:

Many Christians, as well as atheists, claim that it is impossible to prove a universal negative.

contradictory much?

 

[Conscript]

There's a "But...." further down.

 

[titaniumx3]

Well surely if 'God' was the big bang then we do believe in god, just in the right context whereas Christians and other religions have a skewed view of 'him'

Idiots.

Here lies the problem with Atheists. Many seem to take it up as a result of religion, yet Atheism by definition is simply the disbelief in God/gods, which is effectively a religion in itself.

A person who believes simply in a God and nothing else is for all intents and purposes an Athiest.

 

[yantorsen]

There's a "But...." further down.

But the claim that omniscience is needed to prove a universal negative presumes that the concept which we are discussing is logically coherent. If the attributes which we assign to a hypothetical object or being are self-contradictory

two problems with that, firstly the attribute assigned to the Christian God are not contradictory.

Secondly, if your assuming that God (hypothetically) is omniscient, and we are not, how can our logic be applied?

 

[The Dread Pirate]

And is it butter face up or down?

Judging from the state of my life and the world butter side down

 

[Conscript]

two problems with that, firstly the attribute assigned to the Christian God are not contradictory.

Secondly, if your assuming that God (hypothetically) is omniscient, and we are not, how can our logic be applied?

I don't know. Like I said, I don't want to get into the debate again, and I wish I hadn't posted the article. I just thought it was an interesting take on the argument.

 

[yantorsen]

I don't know. Like I said, I don't want to get into the debate again, and I wish I hadn't posted the article. I just thought it was an interesting take on the argument.

Okay, fair enough, I'll be quite now

 

[ringo747]

Another question about atheists - why, if they don't believe in religion or a god of any kind are they so bothered when it comes to threads like this? If they don't believe anything well how can they have a valuable input to a thread similar to these 'Christian v science' debates for example. I never could work that one out.

 

[yantorsen]

Another question about atheists - why, if they don't believe in religion or a god of any kind are they so bothered when it comes to threads like this? If they don't believe anything well how can they have a valuable input to a thread similar to these 'Christian v science' debates for example. I never could work that one out.

because apparently the world would be a better place without religion, and it'd be better if we were all atheists like Pol Pot.

 

[ringo747]

because apparently the world would be a better place without religion, and it'd be better if we were all atheists like Pol Pot.

yeah i could never get it - especially when people discuss different religions and have a normal discussion then some numptys come in and state their 'case'. When you think about it they dont have a case if they don't believe anything! They think they are real pros at all the complex science stuff but they miss the basic thing which is that they don't believe anything so they can't tell other ppl what to believe! Bunch of spanners really

 

[The Dread Pirate]

Sod everyone elses beliefs All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet