Atheist Sees Image of Big Bang in Piece of Toast

yantorsen · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:29

Psyk said:
For some animals (eg. rabbits) there is nothing wrong with incest as it doesn't cause problems for them, so they're happy to go and do it anyway. Not sure what it's like for wolves, but it does cause genetic defects in humans so our instinct tells us it's not a good idea to bang our siblings.

so if both siblings were sterile it'd be okay?

Conscript · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:29

yantorsen said:
no, every/most governments laws are based originally on religious morals, which effect it's citizens.

Since when has "Don't kill fellow humans" (Murder) been a "religious" moral?

Tefal · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:30

yantorsen said:
ok, so what about abortion? incest? I doubt wolves have a concept of incest.

ok so you've just ignored everything I've said and focused on wolves well done you.

Wolves would not have a concept of incest as they would be unable to spot the increasing trend of disease that makes it self apparent from continued incest, unlike humans which notice this and as such avoid it, also are you suggesting incest is morally wrong? if so why, because of the risk to offspring or because your parents told you it was, like i said earlier. also why would a wolf have an opinion on abortion when it it is not aware of such a thing nor capable of understanding it? But if you insist then you could suggest that because no wolf practices abortion, then they view it as morally wrong.

Tefal · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:32

yantorsen said:
so if both siblings were sterile it'd be okay?

Then it's no ones decision (due to the danger to offspring being removed, and marital status probably being denied due to tax laws) but their own if you have a problem with it please get the hell out of Britain which has built its reputation and culture, on letting people having their privacy behind closed doors.

yantorsen · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:32

Conscript said:
Since when has "Don't kill fellow humans" (Murder) been a "religious" moral?

since the beginning of time?

Tefal · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:33

MTA99 said:
From the bible........d'oh.....I've walked into your trap. Damn! There must be a God, he invented morals then made a man write down some words in a book

The ten commandments are a pretty good base to start an ordered society. Don't kill each other,

Didn't stop priests calling for executions of witches though did it

Tefal · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:34

yantorsen said:
since the beginning of time?

Please name a religion that has existed since then?

Or a religion that has followed those "morals" even when it didn't suit them.

yantorsen · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:34

Tefal said:
Then it's no ones decision (due to the danger to offspring being removed, and marital status probably being denied due to tax laws) but their own if you have a problem with it please get the hell out of Britain which has built its reputation and culture, on letting people having their privacy behind closed doors.

so if someone wanted to bang there mum and there both sterile it's up to them and it's OK?

This is what secular society brings...

Tefal · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:35

yantorsen said:
so if someone wanted to bang there mum and there both sterile it's up to them and it's OK?

This is what secular society brings...

Shame isn't it that's what Britain is, I recommend you leave, may I suggest Saudi Arabia, I hear they do lovely religion.

yantorsen · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:36

Tefal said:
Please name a religion that has existed since then?

Or a religion that has followed those "morals" even when it didn't suit them.

The origins of Judaism.

maybe not existed since the beginning of time, but at least since humans have been around.

Conscript · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:36

yantorsen said:
so if someone wanted to bang there mum and there both sterile it's up to them and it's OK?

This is what secular society brings...

As opposed to religious society which teaches you that it's OK to kill someone because he's homosexual? Or because he doesn't share your faith? Or that sex before marriage is an inherent evil?

yantorsen · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:36

Tefal said:
Shame isn't it that's what Britain is, I recommend you leave, may I suggest Saudi Arabia, I hear they do lovely religion.

it's still illegal to bang your mum you know?

Monkey Puzzle · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:37

Royal Fleet said:
Someone can believe that Noel Edmunds is God for all I care, but if they then say I have to watch Deal or No Deal or I will go to hell, then that line is crossed.

Tough call, but I think I'd take hell.

Psyk · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:38

yantorsen said:
so if both siblings were sterile it'd be okay?

In my opinion, yes. They are not hurting anyone, it's their own personal business. The reason that doesn't happen much is because our subconscious instincts tell us we shouldn't, and that's probably also why some people think it's so wrong even in cases where there's no chance of it doing damage.

yantorsen · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:38

Conscript said:
As opposed to religious society which teaches you that it's OK to kill someone because he's homosexual?

which one is that then?

Conscript said:
Or because he doesn't share your faith? Or that sex before marriage is an inherent evil?

no one said sex before marriage is a inherent evil?

Tefal · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:38

yantorsen said:
it's still illegal to bang your mum you know?

That would be due to the laws regarding position of trust etc.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/incest.html <-- apparently god approves of doing your daughter though

Royal Fleet · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:39

yantorsen said:
so if someone wanted to bang there mum and there both sterile it's up to them and it's OK?

This is what secular society brings...

So what, If that is what they want to do then it affects no one but the consenting parties. Not my bag, but live and let live.

Religious leaders in days gone by, were the leaders, so they made the laws and said if you don't follow them you will go to hell or equivilant. A lot of them such don't kill each other stand up in modern society, but a lot (such as no 'Quick one off the wrist', no sex before marriage, no shellfish) are as much of an anachronism as religion itself.

Monkey Puzzle · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:39

yantorsen said:
The origins of Judaism.

maybe not existed since the beginning of time, but at least since humans have been around.

O RLY?

yantorsen · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:39

Psyk said:
In my opinion, yes. They are not hurting anyone, it's their own personal business. The reason that doesn't happen much is because our subconscious instincts tell us we shouldn't, and that's probably also why some people think it's so wrong even in cases where there's no chance of it doing damage.

so where does the subconscious instinct come from?

Tefal · 15 Feb 2008 at 15:41

yantorsen said:
which one is that then?

no one said sex before marriage is a inherent evil?

5 seconds after opening my bible and we have

""if a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Leviticus 20:13

on the next page it says if you marry a mom and her daughter (not your daughter) then you must all be "burned in the fire, so that there is no wickedness among you"