Atheist Sees Image of Big Bang in Piece of Toast

possibly, depends if you count war as mass murder. it doesn't really show any sign of stopping though?

What are you suggesting? Would you like us all to ask a supernatural being to help us sort out the problems? I'd prefer we have a discussion about how or why its happening, perhaps change the law or the help we give to those who are a mentally ill. I don't know the answer, if I did I'd let you all know but i'm just trying to make the point that burying your head in the sand is useless
 
I can if you like, but it's quite complex and deals with the different covenants etc...

Please do, or is this your way of saying "errr well.. it sort of says it... if err your interpret it this way..err yea."


Also you say logic means that a Christian can see both sides of the morality abortion, yet refuse to believe that that an atheist would be able to use logic to decide, because they don't have a religious text to guide them.
 
possibly, depends if you count war as mass murder. it doesn't really show any sign of stopping though?

There probably was an evolutionary advantage to being hostile to other "tribes" or packs, competing for food for example. I think that's been true until very recently in evolutionary terms. As such there wouldn't be a noticeable difference yet. Maybe in another million years there will be. It depends how society develops since we've come to the stage where our society influences which traits are beneficial for passing on our genes.
 
Please do, or is this your way of saying "errr well.. it sort of says it... if err your interpret it this way..err yea."

I'm busy I'll get back to this later as it's complex.


Also you say logic means that a Christian can see both sides of the morality abortion, yet refuse to believe that that an atheist would be able to use logic to decide, because they don't have a religious text to guide them.


No, I didn't say a Christian could see both sides, not a "perfect" Christian.

Only liberal "Christians" believe abortion can be ok.

I'm saying that 'cause it's logical doesn't make it moral.
 
There probably was an evolutionary advantage to being hostile to other "tribes" or packs, competing for food for example. I think that's been true until very recently in evolutionary terms. As such there wouldn't be a noticeable difference yet. Maybe in another million years there will be. It depends how society develops since we've come to the stage where our society influences which traits are beneficial for passing on our genes.

so what use does homosexuality have again?
 
so what use does homosexuality have again?

Random experiment, you seam to miss this little facet of evolution its not a guided and intelligent process its just random, some time it makes pointless curiosities sometimes it creates something spectacular.
 
Only liberal "Christians" believe abortion can be ok.

I'm saying that 'cause it's logical doesn't make it moral.

ahhhh I see now when you say Morals, what you mean to say is YOUR morals.

In which case this argument is totally pointless, because i do not have your parents nor know the intricate details of you r upbringing and their lives before and during.
 
Random experiment, you seam to miss this little facet of evolution its not a guided and intelligent process its just random, some time it makes pointless curiosities sometimes it creates something spectacular.

I thought it was to do with pack instinct?

ok so it was an "experiment", if evolution is survival of the fittest how did it come about through an unconscious experiment?
 
it's logically OK to bang your mum, as if your both consenting it does no harm to anyone (although it does arguably, physiologically), but it's not ethical.

ethics are derived from logic though, ie it is impossible to make a purley logical desicion about your mother due to the massive influence she would have had when you where a child.
 
ahhhh I see now when you say Morals, what you mean to say is YOUR morals.

In which case this argument is totally pointless, because i do not have your parents nor know the intricate details of you r upbringing and their lives before and during.

no, we're discussing where morals come from be that wrong morals or correct morals.
 
so what use does homosexuality have again?

Well, from an evolutionary viewpoint it is deleterious so not much use when viewing it like that, it would be considered an 'error'. That doesn't mean it necessarily disproves evolution and natural selection. Our species suffers from numerous inherited diseases as well that haven't been eradicated yet even though they are deleterious.
 
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