OcUK Trackday Date - Feb 10 or 17?

Sounds exactly the way my old MR2 Turbo went except I was giving it major beans around a roundabout. Totally seized after low oil but at least it started after giving it an hour to cool down & it got me home (just about!) I melted a piston & bent a conrod :(

Hope it ain't that bad m8y, but looks like you have some quality backup to help you out :)
 
JediFragger said:
Sounds exactly the way my old MR2 Turbo went except I was giving it major beans around a roundabout. Totally seized after low oil but at least it started after giving it an hour to cool down & it got me home (just about!) I melted a piston & bent a conrod :(

Hope it ain't that bad m8y, but looks like you have some quality backup to help you out :)
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Was that the final damage after the brief meet? I never did ask you what actually went wrong, i just remember lots of boiling fluids all over the place!
 
paradigm said:
It "could" have gone on the road, given how I drive B roads, oil starvation could have still happened on a twisty B road. I won't know for sure until I know the actual cause of the cease, but its certainly not something that would have "only" happened on the track.
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It's the longer sweeping, high G nature of the corners combined with high oil temps that kills most engines on the track. The oil is being pumped through the pump a lot quicker so only a hint of starvation is enough to cause problems. As you saqy you feel like your going slow, there wont be many B roads corners that turn 180 degrees that you take at 70-80mph.

Although it doesn't sound too bad so far, normally a rod leaves the block or it pours smoke out the exhaust. Am I right in yours having neither?
 
Indeed.

At the end of the day, even sporty hatchbacks and Type-R's aren't made to take that sort of abuse. The smell coming from the clutches and brakes told their own tragic story when they were finally allowed to rest in the pits.

I'm still holding out hope for an electronic seizure rather than a mechanical one. I didn't hear anything go bang when it finally cut out, definately.

Fingers crossed anyway El, you've got the support of the forum by the looks of things.
 
Simon said:
Although it doesn't sound too bad so far, normally a rod leaves the block or it pours smoke out the exhaust. Am I right in yours having neither?
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Correct. No smoke, nothing has "left" the block, no noises were made when the engine deicded to "expire".

It even rolled in gear for the duration of turn one after cutting out, so it didn't instantly cease up.

Its a rather odd one.

EDIT: Only odd thing was that the PAS fluid boiled over.
 
Firestar_3x said:
I don't want to answer everything for him since its his story to tell, but from what El has said coming out of the last corner onto the straight it sounded a little odd, then he backed off then it cut out, but he had come off the power in this time.
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Is that onto the home straight?

I got massive fuel surge in there, I think the chicane before can really flick the oil (or fuel in my case) about in the sump as you change direction so quickly and then your at full power.
 
paradigm said:
Correct. No smoke, nothing has "left" the block, no noises were made when the engine deicded to "expire".

It even rolled in gear for the duration of turn one after cutting out, so it didn't instantly cease up.

Its a rather odd one.
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Hot engines with low oil can scuff the bores and the resulting temps can sieze the engine, although this can be accompanied by the wheels locking up if it siezes in a big way.
 
Yeah, home straight then he stopped on the first corner. I said to Neil "you're not supposed to stop for photos there are you?" as he'd stopped right where Leon and Kate were:p

edit: too slow.

edit2: /orders shallow oil sump:p
 
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paradigm said:
No, more top end would have had far greater effect, I ran out of puff far too early.
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£50 it wouldn't, Top end has very little impact on most UK circuits if you actually start timing the laps. No need for the 'No'. You're just guessing what would happen.

60-110 over a straight rather than 50-120 will generally mean although the car is slower you will be lapping faster.
 
Finally got the photos off my compact.

I won't post many because they're very similar to others in the thread!

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That's it, I've lurked here long enough (4+ years!). Finally getting a new car in a few months (fingers crossed), and I'm coming to the next one of these, come hell or high water :P
 
Jonnycoupe said:
£50 it wouldn't, Top end has very little impact on most UK circuits if you actually start timing the laps. No need for the 'No'. You're just guessing what would happen.

60-110 over a straight rather than 50-120 will generally mean although the car is slower you will be lapping faster.
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How can you possibly know better than Paradigm considering he was driving the actual car around an actual track?

He is no slow-coach beginner, he has a good idea of what he is doing.
 
Tesla said:
How can you possibly know better than Paradigm considering he was driving the actual car around an actual track?

He is no slow-coach beginner, he has a good idea of what he is doing.
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I can vouch for what El is saying, he was absolutely on the edge with his cornering and was much faster than the majority of other cars out there through the bends (Elises, MG's, that Ferrari even!) and it was only when he got on to the back straight that the quicker 300+bhp (or /tonne equivalent) cars were overtaking.
 
Bad luck Paradigm, not a good thing to happen to anyone or any car.

Nice to see people lending a hand to help out. :)
 
Out of interest where was the oil on the dipstick?

Donington IME is not that power dependant, certainly nothing like Castle Combe. In a 26front drive something like a LSD would have a bigger advantage than 40hp more. Then of course 300hp would be a bit of a handful in the corners (from experience)
 
MrSix said:
I can vouch for what El is saying, he was absolutely on the edge with his cornering and was much faster than the majority of other cars out there through the bends (Elises, MG's, that Ferrari even!) and it was only when he got on to the back straight that the quicker 300+bhp (or /tonne equivalent) cars were overtaking.
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I think that will be due to the driver rather than the car, lets not kid outselves that a Cupra R has higher corner speeds than an Elise or Ferrari.
 
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