Toshiba calling it quits on HD-DVD

Joebob said:
thought it might have been one of those contraptions. It just extends the SATA connection to actually sit on the drive bay cover doesn't it?

I have a 160Gb in mine and I recently went down to 15Gb left, so I had to delete a load of movies and demos etc to make more room. I really want more space for when PlayTV comes out although there may well be 500Gb 2.5" drives out by then so I may just hang on a while longer yet.

Nice wallpaper btw, don't think my misses would approve if I had it though :(
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knowing what i know now...id do it for the speed increase and price of the drives alone:) besides, you could always hide a caddy behind the ps3 as i do now:)

anyway yeah, thats what it does. i to hack the stand up a little so i could route a sata cable through that and out the back of the stand, but hey those stands are only a tenner anyway lol
 
RaidenGB said:
Guys i don't understand Why Sony would let MS use there bluray tech in the Next Xbox
it's one thing they have over the xbox ?
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Beause more BD players on the market means more BD films get sold means more money for Sony for every player and film sold.

I don't think Sony would or even could object to MS having a BD addon, but I wouldn't imagine they would be too chuffed if MS built it into the 360 though! Never going to happen anyway IMo.
 
These pre-loading games need to do it in the background - take a leaf out of Bethesda's book, Capcom! I didn't even know Oblivion had cached data as there was no wait screens or anything. It was only when I had a poke around in the game data section that I noticed there was a 5GB file.
 
ic1male said:
These pre-loading games need to do it in the background - take a leaf out of Bethesda's book, Capcom! I didn't even know Oblivion had cached data as there was no wait screens or anything. It was only when I had a poke around in the game data section that I noticed there was a 5GB file.
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Didn't the game install the 5GB when you first started the game?
 
mcwildcard said:
At the very least we can start to look forward to the end of ridiculous posts such as these:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=13114461&postcount=39

I think that guy needs a girlfriend.
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Not sure if you intentionally picked on what is probably the only HD-DVD nutcase as an example of nut-cases or you are insinuating that HD-DVD attracted the fanatical nut jobs where as BR attracted professional open minded characters..

I think anyone should go to that forum (can't remember the name, but it's famous) where there where 1000 people like the above except on the BR side, where they organised regular jaunts to stop people buying HD-DVD players in shops, and created huge efforts to rig poll results..

I've never come accross such sad people, I fear that now they've had their 'victory' the BR fanboys will turn their attention elsewhere.. :eek:
 
RaidenGB said:
Guys i don't understand Why Sony would let MS use there bluray tech in the Next Xbox
it's one thing they have over the xbox ?
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It's common sense. Every Console Microsoft sell Sony get money. Every Blu-Ray movie sold, Sony get money. Every Blu-Ray game sold, Sony get money.

Now I'm sure Sony would rather get money through technology and games been sold via Microsoft than none at all. Also, the more people who own BR tech, the higher Blu-Ray sales will be in a bigger market, so that's more money for Sony.
 
Morrey360 said:
what happens to the people with the add on hd-dvd drive microsoft brought out i think they will be cheesed off with them.

Thank god i got a ps3 :D
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Not at all. People keep mentioning this (PS3 owners oddly enough). It was an optional extra for playing HD-DVDs, nothing more, nothing less. Some people want to make more of it than's necessary.
They won't be cheesed off.
 
Morrey360 said:
what happens to the people with the add on hd-dvd drive microsoft brought out i think they will be cheesed off with them.

Thank god i got a ps3 :D
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I also thank the lord everyday that you have a PS3 ;)

Or pop down the local media exchange place and get £70 odd for it before they drop the trade-in price ;)
 
I really dont see a huge market for a X360 Blu Ray addon. Well not anymore because....

Its likely to cost £100 or more.

A standalone being much quieter is likely to become available for not much more within the year. Expect £150-£200 to be a popular price for budget models.
Also if the PS3 becomes £250 which i believe it will this year wouldnt most folk that own a X360 already be wiser to then also own a PS3 over a addon drive and for about £150 more money.
 
Mr Latte said:
I really dont see a huge market for a X360 Blu Ray addon. Well not anymore because....

Its likely to cost £100 or more.

A standalone being much quieter is likely to become available for not much more within the year. Expect £150-£200 to be a popular price for budget models.
Also if the PS3 becomes £250 which i believe it will this year wouldnt most folk that own a X360 already be wiser to then also own a PS3 over a addon drive and for about £150 more money.
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I sort of agree, IMO I think MS should just give us a £150 360 premium with 120Gb HDD for movie/tv download or if they want to use BR, add it internally for the same price as a PS3?

And I'd have thought Sony have to be careful being in the predicament of the PS3 being the only 'cheap' useful profile 2 capable BR player, they certainly don't want too many people buying it for non gaming purposes, as the hardware is sold at a loss, and I believe BR films yield peanuts in comparison to games.. if they dropped the price to £250, surely they'd be making even more of a loss per console, they'd have to sell a shedload of BR's per console to get some profit out of it?

When it comes to standalones, what's the predicament of profile 2.0 players? the only sub £300 players I see all seem to be old profile 1 / slow rubbish.. who is bring what out? the last report I saw said the mainstream breakpoint was £100 and they where no profile 2.0 players likely to drop to this price before 2010.
 
Demon said:
And I'd have thought Sony have to be careful being in the predicament of the PS3 being the only 'cheap' useful profile 2 capable BR player, they certainly don't want too many people buying it for non gaming purposes, as the hardware is sold at a loss, and I believe BR films yield peanuts in comparison to games.. if they dropped the price to £250, surely they'd be making even more of a loss per console, they'd have to sell a shedload of BR's per console to get some profit out of it?
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I think that even people buying them solely for the BD player are helping Sony, even though they make a loss on the console. The bigger the install base gets the more hype it generates to thus help further increase sales, plu sa bigger install base also means developers release more games.
 
RaidenGB said:
Guys i don't understand Why Sony would let MS use there bluray tech in the Next Xbox
it's one thing they have over the xbox ?
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Because its not "Sony's" technology at all, therefore isnt their decision to make? Thats the one thing i cant stand about this HD war, people think its Sony v Microsoft, when in fact they are only players in a much larger game.
 
Yeah but demon you miss the point.

If Nintendo can attract non traditional gamers, then you better believe it that Sony can too with the angle of how great the PS3 is as a Blu Ray player and games machine for the family/kids all in one. They have so many angles for why a PS3 in the home is a benifit.

Once Sony get a customer to buy a PS3 well they then offer so many more ways to get more money from them. Theyve already succeeded in converting most Blu Ray player sales as PS3 sales and for the sake of £50 - £100 i think the majority of people see the additional value they get over say a standalone player, particulary if they have kids.

Sony Revenue Benifits:
PS One & PS2 Classics - Downloads
PSP downloads
Home (money from sponsers and advertisers)
Home (sales from customisation items to possibly millions of users)

System Benifits
Web Browser on your HDTV
PSP Wireless conectivity benifits
CD Blu Ray & DVD movie playback
Upcoming TV features with wireless control or sending to PSP
Upcoming Sony Playstation mobile phone

Ok i think you get the picture but imo this HD-DVD failure news puts Sony in a position to massivly increase thier marketshare and re-achieve back its exclusives with certain developers in the games industry. I cant see Microsoft fending off an onslaught of PS3 sales as its not just about the games anymore... I would also expect Sony to release like they did with PSX unsuccessfully in Japan a more traditional stanlone styled player that incorporates a much larger HD, the new freeview TV card thingy and all the needed PS3 tech. (id certainly buy one too)

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Remember Blu Ray has just become the VHS of High Defination Video and this gives Sony a good percentage ratio of putting a PS3 in millions of homes over the next 2 years.
If anything id assume that it will have Microsoft reconsdering when thier next console will be expected.
 
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Morrey360 said:
what happens to the people with the add on hd-dvd drive microsoft brought out i think they will be cheesed off with them.

Thank god i got a ps3 :D
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Well I've had 14 months of use so far in which I've watched well over 100 Hi-def movies all for a bargain price of £100 for the player. Last time I used it at the weekend it still worked, although the way people seem to be talking I expect it to stop working as of today following Toshiba's announcement.
 
Mr Latte said:
Yeah but demon you miss the point.

If Nintendo can attract non traditional gamers, then you better believe it that Sony can too with the angle of how great the PS3 is as a Blu Ray player and games machine for the family/kids all in one. They have so many angles for why a PS3 in the home is a benifit.

Once Sony get a customer to buy a PS3 well they then offer so many more ways to get more money from them. Theyve already succeeded in converting most Blu Ray player sales as PS3 sales and for the sake of £50 - £100 i think the majority of people see the additional value they get over say a standalone player, particulary if they have kids.

Sony Revenue Benifits:
PS One & PS2 Classics - Downloads
PSP downloads
Home (money from sponsers and advertisers)
Home (sales from customisation items to possibly millions of users)

System Benifits
Web Browser on your HDTV
PSP Wireless conectivity benifits
CD Blu Ray & DVD movie playback
Upcoming TV features with wireless control or sending to PSP
Upcoming Sony Playstation mobile phone

Ok i think you get the picture but imo this HD-DVD failure news puts Sony in a position to massivly increase thier marketshare and re-achieve back its exclusives with certain developers in the games industry. I cant see Microsoft fending off an onslaught of PS3 sales as its not just about the games anymore... I would also expect Sony to release like they did with PS2 unsuccessfully in Japan a more traditional stanlone styled player that incorporates a much larger HD, the new freeview TV card thingy and all the needed PS3 tech. (id certainly buy one too)

If anuthing id assume that it will have Microsoft reconsdering when thier next console will be expected.
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An interesting but rather skewed view..

I think you miss the obvious point that parents don't want their kids taking over the TV with the PS3, they are not going to pay extra to then have them hogging the TV forever in a day...

Just looking at the PS2, which is a DVD player and 'so much more', I don't see any evidence to suggest people are buying the PS2 rather then a standalone DVD player for the front room, which is kind of what you are suggesting, parents buy them for the kids bedrooms, not the front rooms..


I see that you've turned into a bit of a fanboy, I merely mentioned what I believe is a sensible comment that selling the PS3 at a loss and having it as the only decent cheap BR player could possibly not be the best thing for them now the 'war' is won, it's served it's purpose, etc and you've somehow turned this into how microsoft should be worried, as Sony are set to take over the planet with their all singing all dancing uber 'machine'..

I just love that feature list..

1. Web Browser on your HDTV - not a mainstream feature
2. PSP Wireless conectivity benifits - you need a PSP for this, the best selling handheld is a DS, and again it's not mainstream, it's just a marketing tick box.
3.CD Blu Ray & DVD movie playback - the BR is the only thing your standalone DVD player doesn't have.
4. Upcoming TV features with wireless control or sending to PSP - the PVR addon is the price of a good PVR, and no-one has confirmed if it can record while playing a game, it looks so far like it can't.. and even then it's no good for the largest market, the US..
5.Upcoming Sony Playstation mobile phone - is this for real? so lets see, does this involve actually having the PS3 on and the TV switched onto 'view' the PS3 for it to be useful?

I'll just go back to reading threads and not posting.. I think we must live on different planets, I must go over to planet playstation sometime to see what I'm missing..
;)
 
Demon said:
An interesting but rather skewed view..

I think you miss the obvious point that parents don't want their kids taking over the TV with the PS3, they are not going to pay extra to then have them hogging the TV forever in a day...
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some of those same parents are buying ps3's for playing bluray lol

Just looking at the PS2, which is a DVD player and 'so much more', I don't see any evidence to suggest people are buying the PS2 rather then a standalone DVD player for the front room, which is kind of what you are suggesting, parents buy them for the kids bedrooms, not the front rooms..
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thats because the ps2 is an awful dvd player. it would have been a different story if it were rivalling, and beating, similarly priced dvd players of the time. as it stands, the ps3 is both a fantastic dvd player AND a fantastic bluray player. its the smart choice for bluray, its really that simple. and thats why people are buying them who wouldnt necessarily buy them for the games.

I see that you've turned into a bit of a fanboy, I merely mentioned what I believe is a sensible comment that selling the PS3 at a loss and having it as the only decent cheap BR player could possibly not be the best thing for them now the 'war' is won, it's served it's purpose, etc and you've somehow turned this into how microsoft should be worried, as Sony are set to take over the planet with their all singing all dancing uber 'machine'..
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no, he just loves a decent bit of hardware, as do i. and we can both see the potential for it, outside of gaming.
 
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