Toshiba calling it quits on HD-DVD
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Joe Bloggs knows the brand Sony Playstation. We already know thats the most powerful tool Sony has. And chances are if little Johnny wants a new console, They'll be getting the PS3.
Your the one that has an issue with Blu Rays success or that people may/will be slow to adopt it. Ive tried to put across there are more reasons for the average consumer to purchase a PS3 over a standalone. The 40GB harddrive and USB mp3/ipod etc music connection is just one reason forgetting all the Sony gaming abilities or other multimedia.
Ive strongly disagreed with your £100 figure, showed reason why and i fail to see the importance of the product reaching that level because successfull products dont have to. What matters is they become successfull and profits are made from the evergrowing userbase buying software/media.
With regards to analyst reports made for the PS3 or indeed Blu Ray any such reports done prior to the situation we have now with BD becoming the chosen format are absolutely useless.
I see youve gone of the Downloads idea as competition and i believe what i said regarding it is likely. Studios are not investing Billions into Blu Ray to then kill it off with same time available downloads. Simultaneous release's may happen online with music and albums but its not going to happen imo with movies simply because of Cable/Satellite networks already widely accepted in the market place. At the best yes downloads will happen but possibly 3-6 months after intial DVD and Blu Ray sales.
with respect, I do not, have not, and never implied BR will be anything but successful, the only discussion is on timescales and breakthrough cost. The ability of the PS3 has never been brought into question, not once by me.. You've taken the stance that I've said otherwise, I haven't..
, Again, with respect, but the simple debate was on mass adoption and what it would take/how long to get there, the getting there has never been in question and I've never said the PS3 won't be succesful, I can't say it any more clearly, you are putting an argument into my mouth. And I admit that I find it hard to accept any opinion that is not easily qualfied, but I will accept our views differ and move on.
the analysts reports are applicable to any HD optical format, breakthrough prices are the same whether it was HD-DVD or Blu-ray surely? Even the BDA 'plan' was 3 years until mass adoption? I only ever said 3-4 years myself, but then you have insisted on putting an argument into my mouth saying I am somehow saying BR won't be successful in some way, this is simply not the case.
I just am not dismissing them, that is all, if they account for 10% of film sales/rentals is that not competition? I'm being open minded, and looking at various sources of information, looking at all the studios' MS are/have signed, etc, BT vision, and a whole host of new services all using downloads for film/TV usage and just saying that there is a lot of activity in this sector. There is also the fact that the DVD market has slowed, it's in all the industry reports, and it's not 100% clear as to why.
As a serious question, do the studio's invest billions? I didn't think they owned the pressing plants, etc, they simply author an image, pay someone else to press it, the covers/distribution etc are already in place from DVD? from my perspective, I'd say that studios are able to quickly adopt any method that makes then easy money?
At the end of the day you are misunderstanding what I said, you are putting an argument into my mouth about success of BR, I am not, have not, will not ever say BR will fail, I understand and agree 100% that as long it (any product) makes a profit, it's a success..
And I don't get where all the PS3 comments are really coming from, please, accept that I have no beef with the PS3, accept all your points about it being more then just a standalone BR player, and yes the PS3 will be part of the BR build up.. I really have never thought/said otherwise.. the only inkling of unrest I can spot is possible the argument you made that 'non gamers' will pay £250 for a standalone BR player (in the form of the PS3) because it plays some other media, etc. Of course I didn't agree, but not based on the fact I thought the PS3 was in anyway bad, simply that I didn't see any evidence that main stream consumers have ever done this, e.g even though the PS2 plays DVD's and does much more , granted not as much as the PS3, but still it's not useless, there is nothing I can find that the majority remotely suggests consumers behave like this, so although we disagree, it's not reflection on the PS3 at all.. in fact in the whole discussion about BR takeup, surely in the long run, PS3's will actually probably account for only a small percentage of standalones in years to come, so it makes no odds..
I really don't get this almost religious effort people are making to keep continually read anything that can be remotely construed as negative on any aspect of Sony or the PS3, even if it's a fact, and just keep regurgitating the same line "But the PS3 is so much more then a games machine and is set to conquer the planet".. I know you think this, I largely agree on many aspects of it's abilties, and never doubt that it will be no1 or possibly no2 (depending on the Wii) in the next gen arena.. why do people just insist on them saying it over and over again?
It's like talking to a car salesman-
Me: Nice car, but it's a shame it's over the new higher CO2 tax band
Sales: That's not important, look it's got 3 cup holders and and Ipod interface
Me: I don't really care about the 3 cup holders, if it was under the CO2 band,
Sales: You don't like cup holders? how dare you, they are the new thing, one day all cars will have them
Me: No, it's not that I don't like them, I don't need them, and don't feel they are as important as the new CO2 band rating
Sales: your nuts if you don't like cup holders, and I sold 3 of these cars last week, won't be long before it's the no.1 in it's class
Me: again it's not that I don't like cup holders, I just don't see me or anyone else ever using them, so don't need them, anyway I don't remember reading that cup holders where a key factor people look at when buying a car
Sales: Well I've got cup holders in my car, so I think everyone will want them
Me: look, stop it with the cup holders, now back to the CO2 band..
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Urgh, I find this 'debate' boring, but more importantly, pointless.
/unsubscribes.
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LOL
Demon im going to make this my final post on the matter.
Firstly you mentionied: it was a big problem if they were loosing money on each console sold, so somehow it was bad for business? Weve already tried to explain how they re-coup manufacturing costs and the importance of growing your installed userbase. Simple short term loss, long term gain business strategy.
Secondly it then became an issue, somehow that MASS MARKET and £100 were important factors. Theses are your assumptions that you brought to the thread. Then adding boring analyst reports.
No one else has seen much point or the need for Blu Ray to gain leading sales over DVD or other distrubution. As you have agreed its guranteed to be successfull and as i recently posted from a personal view my interest was in retail prices being reduced and the catalouge quickly offering a good range of titles with all studios onboard.
To then say you never said this or never said that and now proclaim to believe PS3 and BD (ps not BR) as a format is certain to succeed makes me wonder why then it was relevent for you to bring up the points you did over the Mass market and £100. Not so sure you have expressed your opinions or views as clearly and now seem to be contridicting some of the points you brought up.
I believe ive been crystal clear on where i see the format and system going and in my own opinion what matters most to get it to really take off for the general consumer.
Firstly you mentionied: it was a big problem if they were loosing money on each console sold, so somehow it was bad for business? Weve already tried to explain how they re-coup manufacturing costs and the importance of growing your installed userbase. Simple short term loss, long term gain business strategy.
Secondly it then became an issue, somehow that MASS MARKET and £100 were important factors. Theses are your assumptions that you brought to the thread. Then adding boring analyst reports.
No one else has seen much point or the need for Blu Ray to gain leading sales over DVD or other distrubution. As you have agreed its guranteed to be successfull and as i recently posted from a personal view my interest was in retail prices being reduced and the catalouge quickly offering a good range of titles with all studios onboard.
To then say you never said this or never said that and now proclaim to believe PS3 and BD (ps not BR) as a format is certain to succeed makes me wonder why then it was relevent for you to bring up the points you did over the Mass market and £100. Not so sure you have expressed your opinions or views as clearly and now seem to be contridicting some of the points you brought up.
I believe ive been crystal clear on where i see the format and system going and in my own opinion what matters most to get it to really take off for the general consumer.
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I know some of my own rants are long winded but gees Demon is good at the ole chatter.
BD Profile 2.0 requires 1Gb of local memory too, so don't forget to add on the cost of a HD...
Could be built into the drive if it was an add-on, the 360's HD-DVD drive has its own memory I think.
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If it had 1GB built into the drive that would push the price of the unit up quite considerably, I don't see why they would when the HD can do the same job.
I don't think it would push it up much at all tbh. Have you seen how much you can buy 1GB of solid state memory for these days?
It will still push up manufacturing costs and reduce profits on every drive sold.
I would think Microsoft would rather their Core users have to buy an additional HD add-on for Profile 2.0 support, the Premium/Elite do not require the additional memory and I can't see them adding it just for the bog standard Core model when there's an opportunity to sell more HD's.
Id love to see a Poll on the forums that asks people here given options would they:
1) See no rush in getting Blu Ray as DVD is fiine for them
2) They own a 360 love films and would buy a BD drive for approx £100
3) Their 360 owners but feel PS3 has some great games etc coming and would rather buy it for approx £150 more
4) They want a Blu Ray player but will buy the cheapest player or console available but only when the price reaches £100
LOL.. indeed.. OK, I get the point..
lets just leave it at misunderstanding each other, we where defo having different conversations... peace..mrLatte said:
do I get bonus points for just trying to keep it in one thread?It was a bit heavy on the old reading.
4 for me!.. of course
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Get one made up! But look into some extra options for the awkward people
In all honesty, I'd problem answer number 1, Because other than the odd exception, HD Movies havent opened my eyes.
If this is the case then the PS3 can't ever be a Profile 2.0 player either, unless I've missed something.
