That statement doesn't make sense. Before the universe, there was no space.
I'll admit, that this is a best-guess. No scientist has ever been able to do anything other than guess what happened at the instant of the Big Bang, let alone before it.
My theory of the Universe and God
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I'll admit, that this is a best-guess. No scientist has ever been able to do anything other than guess what happened at the instant of the Big Bang, let alone before it.
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I think what is more important here is why not? The Universe is fairly huge, so it was bound to happen somewhere, given the right circumstances. I find it highly unlikely the Universe is teeming with life, we may be the only life in the Universor at least the only life which can contemplate its place in the Universe. Who knows, we could be the Ark which spreads life throughout the Universe.
Surely all of it is at the moment? Otherwise we wouldn't need to invoke things such as "dark" matter and energy to help resolve our theoretical calculations and we wouldn't be looking to ever stranger ideas such as string/brane theory to help reconcile relativity and quantum mechanics...
It is quite easy to imagine a universe without life, but you have to think down to the basic(well, very complex level lol) that DNA is just a complex acid molecule, the same way we have SO many different molecules in the universe.
To be honest, I can't even remember where I was going with this post
lol.
EDIT: Remembered now.
As said above, due to the vastness of our universe, it's quite easy to think that this interaction happened to happen somewhere, i.e. here. Can you imagine what else is out there, not just life, but other elements and molecules that we haven't discovered yet.
To be honest, I can't even remember where I was going with this post
lol.EDIT: Remembered now.
As said above, due to the vastness of our universe, it's quite easy to think that this interaction happened to happen somewhere, i.e. here. Can you imagine what else is out there, not just life, but other elements and molecules that we haven't discovered yet.
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Again, that doesn't make any sense.
If we were alive, we'd need carbon (and a host of other stuff) for our bodies, oxygen to breathe.
At the advanced state we're talking about, all matter has reverted to basic energy. There is no carbon, no oxygen, no hydrogen.
Just energy, in an infinitely sized vacuum.
Or in Dolph's analogy - a single bag of flour on a really big planet.
I believe the following are "facts" as presented in the bible (please let me know if this is no longer the case in the new remastered "editor's cut" editions)
- God is perfect
- God created man in his image
Now, about the suffering thing, lets take the holocaust as an example:
Even in the case of human free will, if man were indeed perfect as has been illustrated above, the thought of the holocaust wouldn't even begin to enter the thoughts of a person. In fact such would be the level of perfection, that the whole corruption malarky in the garden of eden would never have taken place, due to the perfection of man.
Now we are told by the same people who stated the above "facts" that the garden of eden events did in fact take place, and we also know for a fact that the holocaust did take place, amongst MANY other unpleasantnesses (is that even a word?!
), both historic and current.From this it is clear that god is not, as is claimed by so many, perfect, as either:
He created man in his image - an imperfect image - and succeeded in doing so = imperfect.
Or
He attempted to create man in his "perfect" image, and failed = imperfect.
Along with many of the other contradictions and inconsistencies in the bible, I think it is fair to make the statement that the majority (I'm sure some of it is based on true events) of the bible is about as factual and historically accurate as an episode of Emmerdale.
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As I understand it, string/brane theories and dark matter still don't explain the moment of the big bang. Even the laws of physics didn't exist in the singularity.
No theory on earth can begin to explain what was there before the big bang. It's as valid to say the entire universe was made of jam that condensed into the singularity as it is to say that it was an exact copy of our own universe with time running backwards.
It's truly agnostic. There isn't just no evidence, we don't even know what the question should be.
Why would there be no mattter, just energy? Surly as the universe expands, it's effects on itselfs would dissapate, and in the end, just leave singular galaxies, then singular solar systems, then in the end, singular planets.
Much as I love a good religious debate (no, really
), could we stick to the rather cool "beginning of the universe" stuff?Please?
It is quite easy to imagine a universe without life, but you have to think down to the basic(well, very complex level lol) that DNA is just a complex acid molecule, the same way we have SO many different molecules in the universe.
To be honest, I can't even remember where I was going with this post
EDIT: Remembered now.
As said above, due to the vastness of our universe, it's quite easy to think that this interaction happened to happen somewhere, i.e. here. Can you imagine what else is out there, not just life, but other elements and molecules that we haven't discovered yet.
This doesn't answer the question though. Yes I agree that in the vastness of space all combinations of elements under different combinations of conditions potentially have the means to form. But there is a vast difference between a cluster of molecules that is aware of it's surroundings and is actively trying to adapt to them to survive and a piece of stagnant rock.
I guess you could argue that an automatic response of a chemical reaction simulated what we might call "survival" and that a random chain of events allowed early life to form, however at some point nature took over, evolution of fish onto land and monkeys into men is not accidental, there is a driving force behind it.
Why would the galaxies end up as solar systems?
Why would the solar systems end up as planets?
Follow your logic through. The planets would end up as just groups of rocks, which would end up as single rocks, which would end up as groups of smaller rocks....
... which would end up as groups of atoms, which would end up as clouds of sub-atomic particles...
... which would end up as energy.
See?
Also, as we are talking about expansion, I remember seeing this picture on Wiki a while ago, think it looks absolutely amazing.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/CMB_Timeline300.jpg
full image size here
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/CMB_Timeline300.jpg
Why would the galaxies end up as solar systems?
Why would the solar systems end up as planets?
Follow your logic through. The planets would end up as just groups of rocks, which would end up as single rocks, which would end up as groups of smaller rocks....
... which would end up as groups of atoms, which would end up as clouds of sub-atomic particles...
... which would end up as energy.
See?
The Galaxies/Solar systems etc would come apart due to decreased mass and gravitational effects. The objects such as rocks, and in turn molecules don't rely on mavity to stay together, which is one of the big problems in Einstein's Theory of Relativity.
Also, as we are talking about expansion, I remember seeing this picture on Wiki a while ago, think it looks absolutely amazing.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/CMB_Timeline300.jpg
Very cool.
I find it prudent to point out (as the picture cannot) that the black space "outside" the grid-cone-thing of the universe isn't "empty space". It's nothing. This is a difficult concept to grasp. It's nothing. Not a vacuum. Not the interior of a bigger container. Nothing. Nada. Void. Empty. No light, heat, no up no down. No time. Nothing.
Ooh. Interesting, I hadn't thought of that...
I shall have to ponder this one more thoroughly.
It's true that you learn something every day
EDIT: What about entropy? Eventually, the atoms themselves will start to cool down and vibrate less, the bonds between them will break down. The same with the bonds between the protons and neutrons. Yes?
Why would the bonds break down? I thought it would just mean that eventually the entire universe would reach absolute zero?
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Then what would be the purpose of life?
