Hang Brown for Treason!!

Let's have a referendum on a treaty that no-one has read! Yay!

Also, I don't think treason is a hanging offence these days.
 
scorza said:
There was a poll done this week I think that found something like 90% of people wanted a referendum.
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god help us all though if 90% of thepublic actually start voting on things


theres a reason we have a govt...thats because 90% of the british public dont have a clue and if it were left up to them we would be royally screwed when it comes to the bigger picture..people only think about themselves and their local environment..they have no clue what goes on in really running a country

if all we had were populist laws we would hang everybody, kick the rest out of the country and block up the channel tunnel..by and large people are dumb, so lets not actually get them involved!
 
Tunney said:
Let's have a referendum on a treaty that no-one has read! Yay!
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This is the problem with referendums - I disagree with this treaty but the difference is I actually HAVE read it.

If we let the great British public decide anything we are doomed becuase largely speaking the great British public are idiots I wouldnt trust to run a bath. They'd vote based on what The Sun says.
 
[TW]Fox;11248244 said:
If we let the great British public decide anything we are doomed becuase largely speaking the great British public are idiots I wouldnt trust to run a bath. They'd vote based on what The Sun says.
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Exactly. Referendums appear to be the most fair, and accurate way to gauge the public's opinion on a particular issue. But the thing is, only a fraction of the population would actually bother to actually vote, and a large percentage of the people that did vote wouldn't have a clue what they were voting for.
 
Teki187 said:
And British firms will be forced into adopting costly EU employment law.

Just some of the stuff.
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The EU will set MINIMUM standards for workers rights (I stress the word minimum.)

Would you rather UK companies not adopt minimum workers rights?

I find that attitude strange indeed.
 
Has anybody tried to read the Lisbon Treaty? NO? I have, and let me tell you the whole thing is a deliberately obfuscated. Google it yourself.

We get a referendum here (it’s a constitutional requirement), and I’m voting NO. I am generally favourable towards Europe, my country has benefited enormously from the EU. But this document was drafted is such as way as to make it unreadable by anybody. This was deliberately done to hide any thing objectionable in maze of spaghetti that requires you have every treaty since the treaty of Rome to refer to while reading the treaty of Lisbon. its a disgrace to the EU citizens intelligence and dignity to attempt this deceit.

I can guarantee you, none of your politicians have read it all. I Urge you to read it

Nate
 
This depends whether the standards are reasonable or not.

Or whether they are unreasonable, such as the parts of EU law which forced rail companies to spend money making the doors of trains a contrasting colour to the windows to stop people walking into them..
 
There is a lot of water between us and europe. No way should we have some frenchies preaching to us or setting our laws. Europe is useless , we need to have the empire again, much better
 
[DOD]Asprilla;11247816 said:
Where do they get the '9 out of 10' from?
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Probably the same 90% of people who the Sun reckons want to bring back capital punishment.

Funny that i actually know of very few people who agree with this, never mind 90%.

It's like me doing a newspaper popularity survey and basing it all upon the results i get standing outside anfield stadium, i'm pretty sure the Sun wouldn't like me saying 99% of people think it's about as readable as a piece of toilet tissue.
 
For me the issue is not the treaty itself (which I would read if it came to a referendum) but more the broken manifesto promise and the semantics they are using to justifiy it.

The danger here is the complete contempt that has been shown to the british public and while not the first brazen lie from a politician it does nothing but damage the political process. Why vote at all when you know that it doesn't really make a difference.

Party politics, the whip and our version of a representative democracy are flawed. Our MPs do not represent us, they follow the rules of their party. If we are voting for a party and not an individual then we need PR to ensure the fairest representation. If we are voting for an individual and not a party then we need to do away with the whip system and MPs should vote on behalf of their constituants.
 
I dont have a problem with the EU tbh, i think there should be as many possible countries united as one its a better approach for a sustainable future
 
jas72 said:
Name more than 5 areas?

EDIT: Infact name more than 3 areas where britain's rights will be ended?
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Out of interest, can you name more than 3 areas where the Treaty of Lisbon differs from the European constitution that was rejected by voters in France and Denmark? :)

Edit: Don't get me wrong - I'm actually pro-EU having read all the arguments about it. But if we're going to go down that route you have to get the general population to buy into it - not these constant denials about the federal EU aspirations and shady shenanigans like renaming the constitution a treaty.
 
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