Japan Attempted to Crossbreed Whales and Cows

[Sankari]

the fact that they can catch this many and it hasn't killed all the whales, sort of proves that low level/sustainable whaling is capable of working.

No. The only reason they haven't killed all the whales is because they have been restricted by law to certain species. Without those restrictions, we'd have a few extinctions on our hands.

Don't the Norwegians/somewhere near there hunt even more whales and don't even claim it to be for research but no one complains about them

People do complain about them.

 

[SB118]

This year we're researching how many whales we can catch in a six month period.

 

[Squark]

aren't they called Manatees?

Well, they're known as sea-cows, I think

 

[Nitefly]

EDIT - I'm making no sense!

 

[Squark]

I know, just messin'

 

[Sankari]

and whales aren't really endangered for this level of hunting, and why aren't you out raged that the Norwegians have been commercially fishing whales since 1993 with about 600-700 whales per year, much worse than the Japanese.

Not quite.

Norwegian whaling catches:

Year Catch
1994 280
1995 218
1996 388
1997 503
1998 625
1999 591
2000 487
2001 550
2002 634
2003 646
2004 541
2005 639
2006 546
​

Wiki.

 

[Fuzz]

 

[Tefal]

Because their impact on the whale population is negligible. Half a dozen guys in canoes with spears vs. a giant whale trawler with a built-in factory. Which do you think is likely to kill and process more whales within the space of a day?



And now certain species are threatened, so they must be protected. I don't care if some cultures have been eating whales for 13 billion years; that's no justification for driving a species to extinction.

Yes but neither of those points has anything to do with whale as a food source for humans does it?

LOL, research my arse. We've just seen the value of that "research". It's complete .

hence the quote marks.

Humans, of course. But the decision is always modified by societal norms and environmental impact, to which we are all held accountable.
Try hunting giant pandas for food and see how far you get with that. Or Welsh people. Let's all hunt Welsh people for food! Yeah, let's do that.

How about it?

Pandas couldn't support the same numbers as whales and probably don't taste nice, and as for cannibalism that happens in the world already but no one ever complains about it, have you ever seen a big rally about stopping south American tribes eating people?

As for hunting the welsh though, it would be a pointless exercise they don't tase nice and there would be no one left to herd the sheep.

 

[Tefal]

Not quite.

Norwegian whaling catches:

Year Catch
1994 280
1995 218
1996 388
1997 503
1998 625
1999 591
2000 487
2001 550
2002 634
2003 646
2004 541
2005 639
2006 546
​

Wiki.

sorry i missed the word quota out of that, in 2006 they tried to catch 1000+ mink whales but only got 400 something.

 

[Psyk]

Whale + Cow = Manatee

 

[Tefal]

Whale + Cow = Manatee

Squark beet you too it ^^

 

[edgedemon]

Bearing in mind cultural differences, as long as a species is not on the 'at risk' list, long before endangered status kicks in, people should be allowed to hunt what they like for food.

 

[Sankari]

Yes but neither of those points has anything to do with whale as a food source for humans does it?

They do, but both points were in response to points raised by yourself. To which they were entirely relevant.

Pandas couldn't support the same numbers as whales

Ahah, now you're getting it...

and probably don't taste nice, and as for cannibalism that happens in the world already but no one ever complains about it, have you ever seen a big rally about stopping south American tribes eating people?

Yes, we had one in Walsall last week.

Cannibalism is notoriously difficult to document, and usually occurs in places where the local government (a) is effectively powerless to stop it, and/or (b) just doesn't give a monkey's. So it's a moot point.

As for hunting the welsh though, it would be a pointless exercise they don't tase nice and there would be no one left to herd the sheep.

You'll taste nice when we start feeding you proper food. We just have to get you out of the council estates and off the takeaway. Slashing your welfare benefits should do the trick.

Sustainability won't be a problem, since we know that most of your teenaged girls are already mothers.

 

[Sankari]

sorry i missed the word quota out of that, in 2006 they tried to catch 1000+ mink whales but only got 400 something.

I had to drop the "quota" column, because I couldn't make the formatting line up correctly and the results weren't making sense as displayed. Still, I provided the link, so you could see it for yourself.

In any case, the quota is irrelevant to the point I am making, which is that they did not catch "600-700 a year since 1993", as you had claimed.

 

[KNiVES]

This looks like a 'shop to me

Yep, one or two pixels give it away.

 

[edgedemon]

You'll taste nice when we start feeding you proper food. We just have to get you out of the council estates and off the takeaway. Slashing your welfare benefits should do the trick.

Sustainability won't be a problem, since we know that most of your teenaged girls are already mothers.

LMAO

 

[Tefal]

They do, but both points were in response to points raised by yourself. To which they were entirely relevant.

How is the number of whales caught by a large boat compared to an aboriginal tribe, relevent to whales as a source of food for humans?

Ahah, now you're getting it...

That whales with correct monitoring, can be sustainably hunted?

Yes, we had one in Walsall last week.

Cannibalism is notoriously difficult to document, and usually occurs in places where the local government (a) is effectively powerless to stop it, and/or (b) just doesn't give a monkey's. So it's a moot point.

It hard to stop/measure, so its a moot point and doesn't matter? Rather odd position to take there.

You'll taste nice when we start feeding you proper food. We just have to get you out of the council estates and off the takeaway. Slashing your welfare benefits should do the trick.

Sustainability won't be a problem, since we know that most of your teenaged girls are already mothers.

You seem to be mistaking us with the english there.

 

[Tefal]

I had to drop the "quota" column, because I couldn't make the formatting line up correctly and the results weren't making sense as displayed. Still, I provided the link, so you could see it for yourself.

In any case, the quota is irrelevant to the point I am making, which is that they did not catch "600-700 a year since 1993", as you had claimed.

yes which is why i said i missed the word quota out and it was rather badly worded.

 

[Sankari]

How is the number of whales caught by a large boat compared to an aboriginal tribe, relevent to whales as a source of food for humans?

Surely it's obvious? Even to you?

You wrote:

so if whales aren't a food source for humans, why exactly is it legal for aborigines to hunt them for food

I responded:

Because their impact on the whale population is negligible. Half a dozen guys in canoes with spears vs. a giant whale trawler with a built-in factory. Which do you think is likely to kill and process more whales within the space of a day?

Can you see the relevance now? Please don't make me spell it out in Welsh; my keyboard doesn't have enough "y"s for that.

That whales with correct monitoring, can be sustainably hunted?

Correct. Of course, you could say that about anything; even the endangered species. The bottom line here is that they do not need to be hunted, and they should not be hunted. We shouldn't even have to be monitoring their numbers; the very fact that this is necessary, is proof that we're buggering up an entire species.

It hard to stop/measure, so its a moot point and doesn't matter? Rather odd position to take there.

It does matter, but only if you can prove that it's actually happening. However, you cannot stop what you cannot prove. And even if you could prove it, you would still require government co-operation to stop it. Unfortunately, in the places where it is likely to occur, the government is not the co-operating type.

You seem to be mistaking us with the english there.

No, I'm right on target. I've been to Wales, I've seen what it's like down there. It's like Walsall, but with different accents and more government grants.

 

[Greenlizard0]

Come on people - more photoshopping!!