He could just call for the the servicemen to be withdrawn but he goes farther and supports them getting attacked.
The Iraqi's have every right to attack soldiers occupying there country. As long as they don't kill civilians on either side.
The armed forces.
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The Iraqi's have every right to attack soldiers occupying there country. As long as they don't kill civilians on either side.
The government isn't ordering those attacks, therefore they aren't fighting for their country - they're fighting against it.
I'd say that depends on the % of the Iraqi population wants. If a high ratio want the US & UK soldiers out, those Iraqi's are freedom fighters. If only the minority want them out, then they're terrorists. Since the Iraqi goverment has been over thrown I'd now say the agenda is going to be biased towards the occupation.
Do you class the French Resistance as freedom fighters or terrorists?
Do you class the French Resistance as freedom fighters or terrorists?
The population voted for a government that makes the decisions.
I'd class them as freedom fighters, however that country was given no political choice.
But generally most of the bombings are targeted against other civilians, most of the violence now is just the 2 sects of Muslims, going over old grudges.
Strange how I predicted the US would invade Iraq on lies around the time of 9/11
I also knew after the invasion Iraq would proceed into sectarian violence, because of the different Muslim sects/land areas. I believe this was planned from the beginning.
Why would it be planned?
stable country would be able to support a better infrastructure more quickly, to sign more contracts for building etc, and be cheaper for the company as they wouldn't have to pay so much for people to risk their lives to build stuff out there, and not cost billions a year in military costs.
I abuse members of the armed forces all the time!
They are all my mates though, so I'd abuse them either way
lol. I'm just waiting to get back into the army at the moment(shouldn't be long woo), and I fully accept I'm going to be doing something which a lot of people will show contempt for me for doing. It's a real shame the way this country has turned it's back on our armed services. They seem to forget we do a lot of things all over the world, and it's only things such as Afghanistan and Iraq that get publicised.
They are all my mates though, so I'd abuse them either way
lol. I'm just waiting to get back into the army at the moment(shouldn't be long woo), and I fully accept I'm going to be doing something which a lot of people will show contempt for me for doing. It's a real shame the way this country has turned it's back on our armed services. They seem to forget we do a lot of things all over the world, and it's only things such as Afghanistan and Iraq that get publicised.Well it would make sense, it'd give us an excuse to stay there longer and thus have more control of what goes on. I don't think it's true though.
one of the pro reason's is it costs companies and the military money?
It's an industry like any other, it isn't all cost.
This argument is irrelevant however, as the brunt of the point is that soldiers are not politicians. They put their lives in the hands of our country's leaders to protect what they believe to be our best interests. There is simply no excuse for not supporting loyalty such as this.
PC gone mad. 
These guys have given their all in a job that will quite likely ruin a lot of them.
Unless they've done something stupid (like shooting up civilians or torturing POWs) they deserve our full respect.
These guys have given their all in a job that will quite likely ruin a lot of them.
Unless they've done something stupid (like shooting up civilians or torturing POWs) they deserve our full respect.
Anyone with half a gram of sense could see this coming - and did. Hussein's iron fist was the only thing that held the nation together. Without the influence of his dictatorship, the entire country regressed into its natural state: sheer madness with a generous helping of wholesale carnage.
Iraq's demographic melting pot consists of a people divided on tribal, ethnic, religious, political and ideological lines - and those divisions run deep. Under Hussein, their feuds and vendettas were largely curtailed; but now he's out of the way, it's payback time.
Same with Afghanistan. You'll never get peace there.
And how many Iraqi's living in Iraq have you asked? They have an elected Govt who currently want other nations to stay and assist in the reconstruction of the country and its infrastructure, have you seen 1st hand how far the country has come since 2003. The people carrying out these attacks arnt Iraqis by the way.
Your still moving off topic. The fact is the majority of us agree with you that both the Iraq and Afghan wars shouldn't be happening. However we show the intellect to apply our contempt to the politicians rather than those who may very well tomorrow save your way of life.
Watada may have had the 'moral fibre' to take a political stand. However he is a bit of an Integrity vortex. Being paid to do a job in which you are not a policy maker but insisting on taking a political stand as he did is beyond dishonourable. Idolising him as a role model for our forces personnel is insulting to all of those who do the job.
To be frank your view points have the stuburness of a 14 year old. We shall all have to agree to disagree. In the mean time if you could vacate the country im sure we would all most appreciate it your not worthy of these brave men and womens defence.
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Wrong. Refusing orders when he believes they're wrong shows great honour. In fact more honour then being a sheep when everything tells you otherwise. ie if a Nazi officier who was posted at concentration camp said "this is going to far" refused to take the assignment and was shot.
No why should I? I was born here. In fact your view that I should "bugger off" because I don't blindly support what the goverment tells you, shows your level of understanding of other people's plight. And hardly shows freedom of speech/thought/opinions.
Only this morning I was talking to someone and when I told him of a reply on a pro-war site that said "All Muslims should be killed" he smirked and sort of agreed with that.