I'll second this. If anyone needs inspiration, then watch the film 'V for Vendetta'. It really makes you think.Tell you what I think - I say we buy a load of gunpowder and somehow we sneak it under the houses of parliament.
Kabloom!!
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Yeh, then watch the Scientology vs Anonymous videos... really inspirational to see people who don't know each other gather together and work together. Makes a change for the internet..
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[TW]Fox;11273319 said:
Yeh, even though the total amount of carbon produced by cars in the uk, makes up slim to none of the total outputted by our country. It just happens to be something that is easy to police, and to tax. Think the total amount of carbon produced by uk cars in a year, is the equivalent of what a coal power station outputs in few days, or something ludacrous like that.
See my post earlier - Road transport is the 2nd highest output of CO2 behind coal power stations. Ahead of air and sea and homes etc
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I noticed you used the so called 'man made' emmissions, rather than the total CO2 emissions which is a far more useful figure...
I also noticed you didn't provide a source for the figures.
What proportion of "road transport" is actually private cars though?
Logically it makes perfect sense to scrap the whole thing and whack it on the cost of fuel. Fuel is an absolutely perfect way to tax car usage, it accounts for pollution and usage and is virtually anavoidable and would require no admin costs as the system is there.
I dont actually want them to do this though, i drive a 300g/km car over 50,000 miles per year and only pay £180 VED
Logically it makes perfect sense to scrap the whole thing and whack it on the cost of fuel. Fuel is an absolutely perfect way to tax car usage, it accounts for pollution and usage and is virtually anavoidable and would require no admin costs as the system is there.
I dont actually want them to do this though, i drive a 300g/km car over 50,000 miles per year and only pay £180 VED
Logically it makes sense to sort out alternatives to driving before trying to do anything else, rather than using the motorist with no alternative as a cash cow and claim it's for the good of the planet...
It's never going to happen though, because the aim is revenue raising, not anything else, and it's only the fools who have bought into any claim otherwise that think the current process serves any useful purpose whatsoever...
I cant even imagine what alternative there will ever be?
My house for example is in a hamlet of around 8 houses. I am 5 miles from the nearest bus stop, little shop, and 12 miles from the nearest town. My road has houses at a density of around 3-4 per mile at most. It would never be worth a bus coming here.
There is also the fact that i would want the bus to be fitted with private enclosures with the best quality heated leather seats blah blah that my car provides, and i would want it sitting outside and i'd want it to go wherever i wanted it to whenever i wanted it to.
Cars are the only option!
Ha ha yep luckily my Focus ST is down at 224g so it stays at just over 1000 euro a year to tax. If it hit 225 i would be paying 2k a year
Ordinarily I'd disagree, but in this case, a tax rise of 300% is unreasonable, and surely illegal?
There's no way it can be rationally justified, it's economically damaging, it's also going to increase the value of older, high emissions cars that don't suffer the tax, which is surely going to go against any effectiveness it may have.
Unfortunately, we don't have enough checks and balances on the government and their ability to manipulate popular opinion then pass laws or create taxes based on their manipulated ideas...
Just searched Google for a data source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4849672.stm
It's a 2006 article but the figures are still pretty much the same today.
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Yep. While I wouldn't advocate as many checks and balances as in Germany, it would be good to have a stronger second chamber or more strenuous way of challenging legislation. At the moment a government gets voted in and can do pretty much what it wants. There will never be change though because it would need a party in power to effectively handicap itslef which would never happen.
Unfortunately EVERYONE is going to lose out.
Even if everyone drove round in cars that ran on fresh air the Gov would tax the **** out of it.
All they want to do is price cars (and low earners) off the road . It is their answer to overcrowded roads.
The people in this country are too soft and the Gov will just walk over the lot of us.
Even if everyone drove round in cars that ran on fresh air the Gov would tax the **** out of it.
All they want to do is price cars (and low earners) off the road . It is their answer to overcrowded roads.
The people in this country are too soft and the Gov will just walk over the lot of us.
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Ah clearly the government think they're really smart doing this. "Ah this will stop people wanting to buy nice cars" I wonder if they actually believe the rubbish they spout. Why can't they understand that by having bigger more polluting cars, we're actually using more fuel, so we're paying more in tax anyways. No point in scrapping road tax, as I believe that's something which is needed to show the car is legal, because you can't get tax without insurance or MOT. So it makes sense to stay. But adding £1000 to the first year of tax for a new car.. ow the dealers are going to love that ! haha.
Oh joy.
I now get the train for the appauling road works on the M27 so I save the environment there, but will still get lumped. Need to check what my Cupra chucks out. Pay per mile as that will also catch the non car tax tossers..
I now get the train for the appauling road works on the M27 so I save the environment there, but will still get lumped. Need to check what my Cupra chucks out. Pay per mile as that will also catch the non car tax tossers..