If we're talking as black and white as Feb 01 to Apr 01, then I imagine it would, but if we were talking much longer than that, I would be tempted to consider if the £200 a year tax saving would likely cover the likely extra servicing costs of running an older, higher mileage car...
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If we're talking as black and white as Feb 01 to Apr 01, then I imagine it would, but if we were talking much longer than that, I would be tempted to consider if the £200 a year tax saving would likely cover the likely extra servicing costs of running an older, higher mileage car...
Probably yeah. Should help with mine too
Although it does put me off getting a newer S2000 like I was hoping.
Sod it. I'm gonna stick to pre 2001 old cars now I think. Regardless of emissions, the fact I am not buying new cars would have a bigger effect.
I just can't believe they have retrospectively applied this tax to cars. People now have a double in the VED on their cars for no reason! They have already bought the car, what the hell are they supposed to do? Sell it and buy and older one that produces identical emissions or buy a brand new tinbox with a underpowered engine to save the planet and see another car go on the scrap heap.
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That engine will have been optimised for the emissions drive cycle(completely irrelevant to the real world). You could rag the crap out of it all day (as in real world driving) and emit a lot more C02 than equivilant cars. Quoting the 0-60 time is hardly in keeping with this low emissions rubbish.
The NEDC was constructed with old power-per-vehicle-mass and low maximum velocities. The transient velocities are much steeper in practice and more dynamic caused by the power surplus of modern turbocharged engines[1]. Also, the maximum cycle speed does not represent the velocities currently seen on European trunk roads, dual carriageways and motorways which often tend towards 160 km/h (100mph).
I mean that cycle really represents a 100mile motorway trip doesn't it.... Its the reason why hybrids get such good numbers and crap ones in the real world.
I find it amazing that literally Billions of pounds are based on it!!!!
That engine will have been optimised for the emissions drive cycle(completely irrelevant to the real world). You could rag the crap out of it all day (as in real world driving) and emit a lot more C02 than equivilant cars. Quoting the 0-60 time is hardly in keeping with this low emissions rubbish.
The NEDC was constructed with old power-per-vehicle-mass and low maximum velocities. The transient velocities are much steeper in practice and more dynamic caused by the power surplus of modern turbocharged engines[1]. Also, the maximum cycle speed does not represent the velocities currently seen on European trunk roads, dual carriageways and motorways which often tend towards 160 km/h (100mph).
I mean that cycle really represents a 100mile motorway trip doesn't it.... Its the reason why hybrids get such good numbers and crap ones in the real world.
I find it amazing that literally Billions of pounds are based on it!!!!
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While there are some accurate and sensible points regarding the abandoned pre2006 exclusion being scrapped, the pre 2001 car argument, and the abolition of VED in favour of higher fuel duty, isn't this all rather ridiculous?
I face a depreciation bill of ~£250 a month on my car, which is a drop in the ocean compared to many, I can't help but think that an extra £20 a month just isn't worth the outrage and indignation. It's a bit crap, but less of a hike than the increase in fuel prices cost me...
Muppets will continue to lose thousands buying brand new cars, and pat themselves on their backs for saving ten or possibly now hundreds on tax, it already happens. Its evolution, not revolution. I'm more concerned about Darling ******* of people that matter in the city. We do sod all in the way of manufacturing these days, but we've prospered because of the success of the city, if we alienate them, that could spell trouble. Business, Defence cuts and continuing to prop up societies leaches, be they homegrown or immigrants, are issues that concern me far more than an extra twenty quid because some hippy has moaned.
I face a depreciation bill of ~£250 a month on my car, which is a drop in the ocean compared to many, I can't help but think that an extra £20 a month just isn't worth the outrage and indignation. It's a bit crap, but less of a hike than the increase in fuel prices cost me...
Muppets will continue to lose thousands buying brand new cars, and pat themselves on their backs for saving ten or possibly now hundreds on tax, it already happens. Its evolution, not revolution. I'm more concerned about Darling ******* of people that matter in the city. We do sod all in the way of manufacturing these days, but we've prospered because of the success of the city, if we alienate them, that could spell trouble. Business, Defence cuts and continuing to prop up societies leaches, be they homegrown or immigrants, are issues that concern me far more than an extra twenty quid because some hippy has moaned.
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That engine will have been optimised for the emissions drive cycle(completely irrelevant to the real world). You could rag the crap out of it all day (as in real world driving) and emit a lot more C02 than equivilant cars. Quoting the 0-60 time is hardly in keeping with this low emissions rubbish.
I think that's exactly what EfficientDynamics is designed to do - make the CO2 figures look good
I feel more for the people with post 2001 / pre 2006 cars who have probably lost £500-£1000 off the value of their cars today based on a retrospective taxation.
That would be like them making alcohol illegal and then arresting anyone who has been drinking in the last year.
I think that's exactly what EfficientDynamics is designed to do - make the CO2 figures look good
Yep, the micro-hybrid system. Wouldn't surprise me if the ECU detected it was on the NEDC and ran a different engine map and disconnected ancillaries such as alternators and aircon pumps
They had already factored that in when they bought the car though
Also they didnt want a pre 2001 car.
They had already factored that in when they bought the car though
Also they didnt want a pre 2001 car.
If we were buying a car today, knowing what we know now, we would have a choice of a pre March 01 car and paying tax at £210, or post March 01 and paying >£400 in 12-18 months.
My point was that for a drop in residual value of £500-£1000 today, that prospective buyers of post March 01 cars would have to believe that real savings were there to be made by buying a pre March 01 car, which would only be true if you were convinced that the projected servicing/running costs of an older / higher mileage car would not be signifcantly higher than those of a newer example.
Haven't read that yet... Are you sure you don't mean that you're paying tax and NI on £365 less a year?![[TW]Fox](/data/man-of-honor/2009.png){kind=avatar}
Do you have some kind of comparison calculator to hand at all? Be interesting to see how much these new income tax rates will rape me.
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