Goth Clothes Prompted Killing

a poor girl lost her life to yobs, its makes me so sad and just as angry that people can be capable of something so trivial as 'because of how they dressed'.

whats wrong with the world :(
 
RDM said:
Has the death penalty in the US shown to have had any impact as a deterant to crime?
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Some info.

"Statistics show that the death penalty leads to a brutalisation of society and an increase in murder rate. In the USA, more murders take place in states where capital punishment is allowed. In 2003, the murder rate in states where the death penalty has been abolished was 4.10 per cent per 100,000 people. In states where the death penalty is used, the figure was 5.91 per cent. These calculations are based on figures from the FBI. The gap between death penalty states and non-death penalty states has risen considerably from 4 per cent difference in 1990 to 44 per cent in 2003."

And interestingly..

"There is ample evidence that such mistakes are possible - in the USA, 116 people sentenced to death have been found innocent since 1973 and released from death row. The average time on death row before these exonerations was 9 years."

Src:http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/capitalpunishment/
(Quite a good read).
 
Interesting quote from the BBC link there, but no source is given:


Out of all offenders who are sentenced to death, three quarters of those who are allocated a legal aid lawyer can expect execution, a figure that drops to a quarter if the defendant could afford to pay for a lawyer.
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Essentially you die because you are poor.


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Progressive thinking states, looking more at prevention than punishment perhaps?

One possibility, although I guess there are many more factors involved.
 
Bah @ Penski less of the insults thanks.

My comments made complete sense

You hypothesized the guy was innocent and put to death by mistake, I hypothesized he wasnt, And was kept alive in prison, and able to kill again.

how is that hard to follow
 
wannabedamned said:
Bah @ Penski less of the insults thanks.

My comments made complete sense

You hypothesized the guy was innocent and put to death by mistake, I hypothesized he wasnt, And was kept alive in prison, and able to kill again.

how is that hard to follow
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Read the bloody thread and find out.

:/

*n
 
RDM said:
Has the death penalty in the US shown to have had any impact as a deterant to crime?
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The people executed never commit a crime again, job done

Domo said:
Some info.

"Statistics show that the death penalty leads to a brutalisation of society and an increase in murder rate. In the USA, more murders take place in states where capital punishment is allowed. In 2003, the murder rate in states where the death penalty has been abolished was 4.10 per cent per 100,000 people. In states where the death penalty is used, the figure was 5.91 per cent. These calculations are based on figures from the FBI. The gap between death penalty states and non-death penalty states has risen considerably from 4 per cent difference in 1990 to 44 per cent in 2003."
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Maybe those states have a death penalty as they have a problem with especially evil criminals... Does the site factor in what the crime rates would be without the dealth penalty taking into account the rise in sick ****s in the world these days?
 
DJammyRasta said:
The people executed never commit a crime again, job done
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And they would if they were in a cell?

Maybe those states have a death penalty as they have a problem with especially evil criminals... Does the site factor in what the crime rates would be without the dealth penalty taking into account the rise in sick ****s in the world these days?
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There are no more 'sick ****s' in the world today than there was twenty, thirty or more years ago on a per capita basis.

There are simply more people in total and widespread, abundant and readily-accessible media sources make the 'bad few' more 'notorious'.

I ask again - can any one of the pro death penalty crowd give me a logical and workable reason for the death penalty?

No? Thought not...

*n
 
penski said:
I ask again - can any one of the pro death penalty crowd give me a logical and workable reason for the death penalty?

No? Thought not...

*n
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Dont know the figures. But say it cost £1m to hold a prisoner for life from the age of 18. Sure as hell doesnt cost that to hang them. Thats one logical reason, and im against the death penalty.
 
Edinho said:
Dont know the figures. But say it cost £1m to hold a prisoner for life from the age of 18. Sure as hell doesnt cost that to hang them. Thats one logical reason, and im against the death penalty.
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It really isn't when you factor in the appeals process and the cost of incarcerating the prisoner until the time for their death sentence to be carried out. Actual death is pretty cheap to deal out, it is the surrounding framework that costs but if you don't include the appeals process and a suitable system for trial then the whole shebang isn't worth a damn to begin with.

penski said:
I ask again - can any one of the pro death penalty crowd give me a logical and workable reason for the death penalty?

No? Thought not...

*n
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Poor form sir, answering your own question in the same post, you should at least give people the opportunity to be hoist by their own petard. :p
 
Edinho said:
Dont know the figures. But say it cost £1m to hold a prisoner for life from the age of 18. Sure as hell doesnt cost that to hang them. Thats one logical reason, and im against the death penalty.
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APoL already answered but to be blunt: You're wrong.

In order to have the death penalty, it is ESSENTIAL that you have the full and correct judicial framework surrounding it.

Justice without the right to appeal and a fair trial is no longer justice.

*n
 
I think it is mainly down to peoples reluctance to get involved in other peoples problems. I myself have been guilty of this on many occasions and I regret not doing anything at the time. This does not necessarily mean you are a coward, but it does say a lot about how we react to others around us (e.g. sheep mentaility amongst crowds) and how easy it is to turn a blind eye.
 
If in a society Law A is thou shalt not kill....the punishment cannot be execution because you are breaking Law A.

I personally cannot think of a punishment thats fitting only hard labour till you die.
 
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