18 Year old man rapes a 5 month old baby

[iv-tecman]

Well, that’s taken this type of sick crime to a whole new low, how anyone could even think of doing this is unspeakable, but to actually go ahead and commit such an act – well it’s just chilling…

Not going to say anymore, too shocked to do so, sadly not be naïve I’m sure its not the first time…. Just the fist time I’ve seen a media article informing me of such an indecent act….

 

[Richdog]

I could sit and argue this with Neanderthals like you all day. I won't, though. It's not a case of protection (except from from short-sighted people like you who'd see him burn for this); the guy obviously needs psychiatric help. He needs to be contained and treated in a place where he can't hurt himself or anyone else. He definitely does not need to be tortured, or to have the death penalty (no one needs the death penalty)

Well what can we say Sic... we can't all be bastions of moral superiority like your very good self. Would that we all were capable of displaying such piety and goodwill to all fellow men even when commit such heinous crimes as this... I feel truly humbled by your good words.

Or realistically, why should thousands and thousands be spent on correcting the behaviour of such an individual and keeping him incarcerated and "helped" when there may be no possibility whatsoever of his serious psychological issues ever being corrected? Do we perservere with him for 10 years, accept his word when he says he is now better, and release him only to see him to the same thing again... like so many sick paedos have done in the past? I'd rather put that money towards good causes to be honest, like helping support the family he has just destroyed, or others like them.

I support the death penalty in extreme case such as this, and as the worlds population continues to increase and the strain the criminal element put on society rises as a result I think it will become an increasingly viable way of controlling the vermin. That probably sounds harsh, but not as harsh as just findng out your baby has been raped. Most fathers worth their salt would kill or want to kill someone they found out had done that to their baby child, so why not support the death penalty and ensure it gets carried out legally?

 

[Fire Wizard]

I'm not quite what to say to be honest?

I can completely understand what Sic is saying. In my opinion, anyone that does anything like this is mentally ill. I don't particular think it comes down to weather they are horrible people or not, there is defiantly something wrong with them. I am certainly not condoning his actions though. No rational, sane, normal person would even think about doing anything as this "man" has done.

 

[Cosimo]

This is just sick, lock him up and throw away the key.

 

[Freefaller]

Sometimes some people are beyond help though However I understand and applaud your comments Jasper. It's sad that things like this happen in this world - we have to ask whether killing him makes us any more/less human than him...

 

[Sic]

I would hope that a sane person couldn't but I'm not an expert, I just think making the assumption that he is mentally ill is a step too far. I'm sure he will try and use it to "excuse" his actions and get a lighter sentence.

I think there is a danger in jumping to the conclusion that somebody that does this is mentally ill.

HEADRAT

I don't think that's dangerous at all. Far too many people are guilty til proven innocent, and the same concept applies to this. Everyone will assume (because of media conditioning, no doubt) that this guy sits on a throne in his house, snorting coke with Gary Glitter and biting the heads off babies for fun, and therefore should be "chaired".

I think more attention should be paid to the fact that people who have feelings like this about children are relatively harmless until they act on these impulses in any way (as most people are - I mean, it's not illegal to harbour sexual feelings about the opposite sex, but it is illegal to do anything about it without their consent).

 

[HEADRAT]

In my opinion, anyone that does anything like this is mentally ill.

Really!

What about rape of a 9 year old?
What about the rape of a girl over the age of consent?
What about the rape of an old women?

sorry I just think that saying it's "obvious" they are mentally ill is doing an injustice to their victim and society.

I don't think that's dangerous at all.

I think the assumption that this guy "must" be mentally ill is flawed, he may just be a "horrible person".

 

[Sic]

You think somebody capable of such an act has a conscience

if they don't then that's definitely an indication that there's something wrong "upstairs" and that they need help rather than being thrown to the wolves.

I said before that I don't plan to debate this all day. I feel the way I feel about this and that's not going to change anyone else's judgement on the subject. I was just airing my opinions as is my right.

I most definitely will not be dignifying any ridiculous response that Richdog has to me, so don't bring yourself one step closer to Carpal Tunnel on my account.

edit: haha, didn't see you'd already replied. I have no interest in talking about this with you of all people. We never see eye to eye on anything so there's really no point, is there?

 

[HEADRAT]

We never see eye to eye on anything so there's really no point, is there?

Sure but I guess if you are going to post your views you could have the decency to debate them, this after all is supposed to be a discussion forum.

I'm not saying he should be put to death and there is a high chance that he is mentally ill but I'm not sure we can say that everybody that rapes children is mentally ill.

people who have feelings like this about children are relatively harmless

I certainly don't agree with that, you shouldn't have any "sexual" feelings toward children, if you do they you are just "wrong".


HEADRAT

 

[Sic]

Sure but I guess if you are going to post your views you could have the decency to debate them, this after all is supposed to be a discussion forum.

I'm not saying he should be put to death and there is a high chance that he is mentally ill but I'm not sure we can say that everybody that rapes children is mentally ill.

HEADRAT

I already have debated them, but you just keep asking the same questions - my answers aren't going to change, no matter how persistent you are.

I never said anywhere that everybody who rapes children is mentally ill, but I do believe that someone who doesn't recognise that these things are wrong and are ok with violating someone in this way could well have something wrong with them and it should be taken into consideration.

 

[HEADRAT]

I have no interest in talking about this with you of all people.

What have an ever done to you in the past, I don't remember our pathes crossing before <also the tone of that is pretty poor IMHO>

HEADRAT

 

[Sic]

I certainly don't agree with that, you shouldn't have any "sexual" feelings toward children, if you do they you are just "wrong".

HEADRAT

I didn't think you would, and I don't really expect anyone to, but that is what I think. The way I see it is I've wanted to do tonnes of stuff that would be illegal if I'd actually followed through with it - why does that make me any different? Because I don't specifically fancy children?

What have an ever done to you in the past, I don't remember our pathes crossing before <also the tone of that is pretty poor IMHO>

HEADRAT

If you re-read that post, you will see I was talking to Richdog

 

[Lysander]

I already have debated them, but you just keep asking the same questions - my answers aren't going to change, no matter how persistent you are.

I never said anywhere that everybody who rapes children is mentally ill, but I do believe that someone who doesn't recognise that these things are wrong and are ok with violating someone in this way could well have something wrong with them and it should be taken into consideration.

I think that's fair enough. It's possible that they could have something wrong with them... but he may not. It's just an extention of paedophilia, after all.

 

[MookJong]

I think the assumption that this guy "must" be mentally ill is flawed, he may just be a "horrible person".

Define "Horrible Person" sounds like a neat and tidy way to explain things so you don't have to look any further.

To simply shy away from the reasons behind these kind of actions means society is acting irresponsibly and simply gives an open door to it happening again.

 

[HEADRAT]

Define "Horrible Person" sounds like a neat and tidy way to explain things so you don't have to look any further.

I was just using Sic's definition above, the point I'm trying to get across is that I don't think we can say that everybody that rapes children is mentally ill, I would hope the vast majority are but I just don't think we can say that cart blanche!

 

[m4cc45]

I don't think it is shying away. There has to be a point when you can't define a persons action or put it into a nice neat box.

Why does a person just walk into a room and kill several people then take his own life? You can't categorise that. You can say the person is mad, etc. but what does this really mean?

The first thing I thought when I unfortunately read the article was disgust and actually feeling nauseau. Society doesn't need the person who did that 'contributing' to it. Ideally I would make an island with all these kind of people on it with no way out and forget about them. Ideally he should be made to feel exactly how the other person did.



M.

 

[Wiggins]

Mentally Ill is a term that is used far too much nowadays.

To commit a crime like this definitely says this guy has a screw loose and yes he could be described as Mentally Ill and sadly there will be institutions out there that want him for analysis into why he did such a thing.

A waste of money as such a crime like this needs to be dealt with instantly with a sentence far grimmer than usual where he can be made an example of.

He dealt a short sharp shock not only to the baby but also to its family so he needs a far greater short sharp shock, maybe a very slow death on an electric chair.

 

[Sic]

Define "Horrible Person" sounds like a neat and tidy way to explain things so you don't have to look any further.

To simply shy away from the reasons behind these kind of actions means society is acting irresponsibly and simply gives an open door to it happening again.

that's kinda my point - "horrible person" should be the (inappropriately cartoony) label people get when it's determined that there's nothing psychologically wrong with them. The more I say stuff like this, the more convinced I am that there's something wrong with anyone who does this sort of thing, but as HEADRAT says, you can't just carte blanche the situation that easily!

Mentally Ill is a term that is used far too much nowadays.

To commit a crime like this definitely says this guy has a screw loose and yes he could be described as Mentally Ill and sadly there will be institutions out there that want him for analysis into why he did such a thing.

A waste of money as such a crime like this needs to be dealt with instantly with a sentence far grimmer than usual where he can be made an example of.

He dealt a short sharp shock not only to the baby but also to its family so he needs a far greater short sharp shock, maybe a very slow death on an electric chair.

yeah, and other people who just snap and don't have proper control over their actions are really going to learn from that example, aren't they?

Ideally I would make an island with all these kind of people on it with no way out and forget about them. Ideally he should be made to feel exactly how the other person did.

M.

LOL!! it worked quite well with Australia, didn't it?!

 

[Richdog]

I most definitely will not be dignifying any ridiculous response that Richdog has to me, so don't bring yourself one step closer to Carpal Tunnel on my account.

edit: haha, didn't see you'd already replied. I have no interest in talking about this with you of all people. We never see eye to eye on anything so there's really no point, is there?

Of course not, that would require you actually construct a decent and logical response, it's far easier to just say "zomg you neanderthal I won't discuss it with you we never see eye to eye waah waah" isn't it. You let your personal issues cloud your judgement far too much, come accross as a bit of an angry and petty person if you don't mind me saying so. It's a forum, relax.

 

[HEADRAT]

I'm sure in years to come we will find out the many of these people are actually "ill", at the moment we have no real way of "curing" these people or really understanding their "illness".

Until we do I think the best we can do is take this people completely out of circulation so they can't prey on innocents, I don't think they can be "cured" as we don't know enough about their "illness".

I do feel that their are a very few people that are just "animals" and no amount of understanding/treatment will "fix" them.

HEADRAT