Dog attack

Random_23 · 18 Mar 2008 at 14:30

I take great offence to you saying that about staffs. My next door neighbour only 2-3months ago had a LAB put down for attacking her grandchild.. OH dear lets slate labs too!

PMKeates · 18 Mar 2008 at 14:34

Random_23 said:
Imagine having parents who watch there child, and dont let them wonder off.
kettle pot however the saying goes

edit. Imagine that dog being a pedophile and you letting him wonder off. Seriously upsets me when people dont look at the bigger picture. I would be the same be it my dog but thats only human

You're making a ridiculous comparison. A child is a free human being and thus more important than some old dog!

We all know that certain dog breeds are far less friendly than others and the owners of said unfriendly dogs should take reasonable precautions to be able to restrain them if necessary. Whether that be by muzzle, choking leash, or by being strong enough to overpower it, I don't think it matters - you just need to be able to stop that dog doing anything seriously wrong by any means necessary.

Amleto · 18 Mar 2008 at 14:46

I hope your dog continues to get better.

bledd · 18 Mar 2008 at 14:55

Gilly said:
I could give him a good hiding

i'm not trying to defend the other guy, but being in his shoes, i wouldn't want to tangle with another person's dog if it's engaged in a fight (albeit a play fight) with my dog

saying that though, my dog is a mongrel sheep dog, looks more like a gay wolf, with a mexican's name, he's hard as nails

hope your mum & your dog get over it pronto

Mr Joshua · 18 Mar 2008 at 14:55

bledd. said:
i doubt there's much you can do as the other guy's dog was on it's lead

Yep, keep the dog on a lead if it can't be trusted not to go and bother someone walking a dog with a lead.

Baz · 18 Mar 2008 at 15:18

Random_23 said:
I take great offence to you saying that about staffs. My next door neighbour only 2-3months ago had a LAB put down for attacking her grandchild.. OH dear lets slate labs too!

Not saying all Labs are placid.

But I have never met a nice or tame Staffy, everyone I have met is an aggressive snarling ugly dog.

wordy · 18 Mar 2008 at 15:47

Thats a shame. I'm the opposite, not met a nasty one, they are lovely dogs.

Baz · 18 Mar 2008 at 15:52

wordy said:
Thats a shame. I'm the opposite, not met a nasty one, they are lovely dogs.

Are you talking about the same dogs?

Usually attached to a chav, snarling dogs that are fine until they see another dog? Ugly things as well...

Mr Joshua · 18 Mar 2008 at 15:53

wordy said:
Thats a shame. I'm the opposite, not met a nasty one, they are lovely dogs.

Nearly the same, I've known one that wasn't "wagging tail" friendly but it didn't come and bother anyone, just kept itself to itself.

The others I've known inlcude one owned by the old guy in the local shop. He used to sell mix ups (sweets

) and the dog loved to be fed them foamy type sweets called shrimps. Whenever we shouted for it he would come racing through from the house to be fed from the palm of our hands, very good natured dog.

Helium_Junkie · 18 Mar 2008 at 16:12

Hope your pup is 100% ok soon, and your mum too!

All this nonsense about it being your dogs fault, how naive are some people! If a dog on a lead in a park viciously mauls a child, is that also OK because the dog was on a lead and therefore clearly under control...?

Being on a lead and being a controlled animal are NOT the same thing.

Kristoph · 18 Mar 2008 at 16:15

This is tough though. When we had our boxer on the lead, if a dog came over to him and started to get a bit rough with him we'd let him have space - the owner should have it on the lead - although he'd never of attacked with that much aggression.

One time a couple of snappy little dogs off their leads ran over to our boxer whilst he was on the lead. The dogs started to get agressive with him and wouldn't leave him alone, the owner was pretty far away. We just let him have the length of the lead and he literally flattened both of the dogs by just dropping his body on them. I think its fair to make it equal.

Possibly the owner should have had a muzzle on the dog?

Kristoph · 18 Mar 2008 at 16:17

Helium_Junkie said:
Hope your pup is 100% ok soon, and your mum too!

All this nonsense about it being your dogs fault, how naive are some people! If a dog on a lead in a park viciously mauls a child, is that also OK because the dog was on a lead and therefore clearly under control...?

Being on a lead and being a controlled animal are NOT the same thing.

Well if you put it like that, the owner had the dog under control, and the parent didn't have control of their child - who shouldn't have been unattended.

I think the responsibility sways more in the direction of the parent in a case like that, the dog owner had done all reasonable steps - it's not foreseeable that the dog was going to maul the child.

bitboy · 18 Mar 2008 at 16:40

Our dog is pretty unsociable. When he's in the park it's to play ball. He'll say a quick hello to other dogs if approached, but that's about it.

If he ever attacked another dog because it was being over-friendly I couldn't keep him as a pet. Quite how anyone thinks it's justifiable is beyond me. It wasn't being attacked, and it delivered a lot more than just a warning snap or growl (which I've seen many times at the park).

Perhaps Rocky should have been on a lead, but for me that's not the main issue. Totally agree with you Gilly, and I hope Rocky is ok

Helium_Junkie · 18 Mar 2008 at 17:39

mp3kla said:
Well if you put it like that, the owner had the dog under control, and the parent didn't have control of their child - who shouldn't have been unattended.

I think the responsibility sways more in the direction of the parent in a case like that, the dog owner had done all reasonable steps - it's not foreseeable that the dog was going to maul the child.

All foreseeable steps, like making NO effort to stop the dog?
Also, the child or puppy was not unattended, it was attended, supervised, but a LARGE POWERFUL DOG had it in its mouth. Have you ever tried to loosen a LARGE POWERFUL DOGs grip on something it wants? Have you ever done so whilst being a mother, and not the body-building judo god that I'm sure you are...? Some people here are utterly ignoring half of the facts that have been stated...

Random_23 · 19 Mar 2008 at 12:17

Helium_Junkie said:
Hope your pup is 100% ok soon, and your mum too!

All this nonsense about it being your dogs fault, how naive are some people! If a dog on a lead in a park viciously mauls a child, is that also OK because the dog was on a lead and therefore clearly under control...?

Being on a lead and being a controlled animal are NOT the same thing.

Would you let your child run off towards anything ? let alone a dog.. Again his dog was on the lead for a reason..... his was off... maybe it too will be cautious in future.

I always walk mine on the lead.. and he is fine. Another dog comes and he gets upset and cranky, however if he is off the lead he will let them know if he wants to play or not and I will know too by mines body language. Good thing about mine is he responds to me 100% of the time. I guess you are just unlucky his didnt or more to the points yours. I would be more upset with my mum if I was you.

Random_23 · 19 Mar 2008 at 12:22

Helium_Junkie said:
All foreseeable steps, like making NO effort to stop the dog?
Also, the child or puppy was not unattended, it was attended, supervised, but a LARGE POWERFUL DOG had it in its mouth. Have you ever tried to loosen a LARGE POWERFUL DOGs grip on something it wants? Have you ever done so whilst being a mother, and not the body-building judo god that I'm sure you are...? Some people here are utterly ignoring half of the facts that have been stated...

How the hell can you say that? I mean cummon? The dog on a LEAD attacks a child or other dog then there too bloody close. Its on a lead for a reason. We shouldnt be pin pointing any1 dog breed here because what your saying can happen with any dog.

If my dog was to do that, attack a child I would be mortified and go down the correct channels ie termination etc god forbid.. I would ALSO press charge's on the parent for allowing there child so close to a animal and as a result both child and dog hurt/dead

Helium_Junkie · 19 Mar 2008 at 15:45

Random_23 said:
How the hell can you say that? I mean cummon? The dog on a LEAD attacks a child or other dog then there too bloody close. Its on a lead for a reason. We shouldnt be pin pointing any1 dog breed here because what your saying can happen with any dog.

If my dog was to do that, attack a child I would be mortified and go down the correct channels ie termination etc god forbid.. I would ALSO press charge's on the parent for allowing there child so close to a animal and as a result both child and dog hurt/dead

I can't believe you justify a dangerous dog by saying "it was on a lead!". Clearly it is still a danger... If you need a "protection zone" around a dog because it might attack then maybe you shouldn't be taking that dog into public...

~J~ · 19 Mar 2008 at 15:59

KILLER DOGS!!!!!

Gilly · 19 Mar 2008 at 16:13

He's had a bad reaction to his antibiotics. He's going to the vets again tonight.

wordy · 19 Mar 2008 at 16:48

Helium_Junkie said:
I can't believe you justify a dangerous dog by saying "it was on a lead!". Clearly it is still a danger... If you need a "protection zone" around a dog because it might attack then maybe you shouldn't be taking that dog into public...

Some dogs are dog aggresive and responsible owners keep them on leads. That is classed as under control because you can move it away from other dogs, therefore preventing a fight or restrain it. If another dog that is off lead runs up to it then the off lead dog can't be restrained by it's owner can it?