Hybird maybecome the "turn off" replacement

Phil2008 · 22 Mar 2008 at 05:06

Ive been messing about with this feature on my new system called "hybird" basicall its the same as standby but the system totally turns off. Then when you move the mouse or press the power buttom, system turns on and within 5 secs you have vista up and running again,

Im thinling this could be my new way to turn off my pc. I dont know how it does it tho, cos it completely turns off the pc, but it bypasses all the bois/post screens when you turn the system back on or move the mouse. It dosent use any more power then if you shut it down either..........info I found:

Vista has the sleep and hybrid sleep modes. In the basic sleep mode, the computer enters a low power-consumption mode, keeping programs and data state in memory; in hybrid sleep mode, the computer enters a low power-consumption mode, keeping programs and data state in memory but also writes the memory content to disk, which means in the event of a power outage the computer's state can be recovered from the disk version of the memory state. Hybrid sleep takes slightly longer to go into low power-mode because the memory content has to be written to disk. On my computer, sleep takes 2 seconds to enter, whereas hybrid sleep takes 16 seconds. The extra 14 seconds is worth it to avoid losing data in the event of a power outage.

PhillyDee · 22 Mar 2008 at 05:24

So its basically hibernate. But slightly different.

Tefal · 22 Mar 2008 at 06:02

PhillyDee said:
So its basically hibernate. But slightly different.

nah it's hibernate i think the op just misread the name

I've found with 4gb of ram though, as it writes the whole 4gb to HD even if you have less than 1gb full it's actually quicker to turn he pc off and on again.

benjo plz. · 22 Mar 2008 at 06:14

Tefal said:
nah it's hibernate i think the op just misread the name

hybrid sleep isn't the same as hibernation

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csmager · 22 Mar 2008 at 09:20

Hybrid doesn't completely turn the computer off - it keeps power to the RAM. It's exactly the same as S3 standby *except* the RAM contents are also written to HDD (as in hibernation).

There's no power saving advantage over S3 Standby, but you can recover from total power loss.

Nick1881 · 22 Mar 2008 at 10:13

How do you put it into hybrid sleep?

csmager · 22 Mar 2008 at 10:22

It's what happens by default when you press 'Sleep'. Can be disabled in Advanced Power Options somewhere.

box · 22 Mar 2008 at 10:28

Hybrid sleep is exactly the same as sleep, except it writes all your data to the HDD as well as with hibernation. So it's a mix of hibernation and sleep mode really, taking the fast suspend and restore of sleep mode, and the data security of hibernation. It works well for me, as my PC does not always successfully restore from sleep.

Nevertheless, unless you unplug the power cord, hybrid sleep uses exactly the same amount of power as sleep...ie the computer is not completely switched off. You couldn't really make it a replacement for turning off your PC completely as I'm sure you'd find Windows starts to get temperamental after a few days without a full reboot.

Phil2008 · 22 Mar 2008 at 14:51

tim80bwi said:
Hybrid sleep is exactly the same as sleep, except it writes all your data to the HDD as well as with hibernation. So it's a mix of hibernation and sleep mode really, taking the fast suspend and restore of sleep mode, and the data security of hibernation. It works well for me, as my PC does not always successfully restore from sleep.

Nevertheless, unless you unplug the power cord, hybrid sleep uses exactly the same amount of power as sleep...ie the computer is not completely switched off. You couldn't really make it a replacement for turning off your PC completely as I'm sure you'd find Windows starts to get temperamental after a few days without a full reboot.

My pc totally turns off, even the psu fan stops spinning.

split · 22 Mar 2008 at 14:58

Vista has many options.
Start here.

tom_e · 22 Mar 2008 at 14:59

speedy2004 said:
My pc totally turns off, even the psu fan stops spinning.

it will do but the 3.3v or the 5v line I cant remember which one stays active to keep power going to the RAM to stop it loosing the data

csmager · 22 Mar 2008 at 15:05

speedy2004 said:
My pc totally turns off, even the psu fan stops spinning.

That's S3 standby. Power to RAM still maintained.

Phil2008 · 22 Mar 2008 at 15:23

yeh thats the only thing that stays active is the memory. Ive just figgered out that my g15 keys on the keyboard misbehaves when it comes out of hybird sleep, so it looks like I wont be using it after all.

It only takes my system about 10secs to go into hybird sleep and then another 3 - 5 secs to come out off hybird sleep.

helmutcheese · 22 Mar 2008 at 15:25

I posted info before for someone in another thread weeks ago with pictures of settings.

Edit: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sh...&highlight=hybrid+sleep+username_helmutcheese

Hybrid Sleep does not need any power.

I just now logged into Win Live MSG, opened up lots of APP's and Players then went to Hybrid sleep.

5mins later I woke it up by moving the mouse and everything inc Win Live MSG was on screen and logged in.

I then did same again but pulled power lead for 10mins, Mobo was totally dead no power led as all power has went from CAP's etc (takes like 10-15secs normally).

PC came back to life as soon as I put in lead and flipped switch on rear of PC and PC again opened all APP's but Win Live MSG was open but not logged in.

Im pretty sure on my previous Bios I did not need go through Mobo Bios boot up sequence but on this Beta Bios I do.

box · 22 Mar 2008 at 15:26

Yup it seems Vista still hasn't sorted all the bugs with sleep mode. 1 in every 10 wakes from sleep, neither my keyboard nor my mouse will power up.

box · 22 Mar 2008 at 15:31

helmutcheese said:
Hybrid Sleep does not need any power.

It most certainly does. You mention two different scenarios. The first, where you keep the power lead in, the PC will simply resume from sleep and pull all the data saved in memory. However, when you unplug that power lead, the memory goes zap; everything is lost. So when you then power it up, it will restore the same memory image, except this time from the disk, similar to hibernation.

Your PC will be in sleep mode and will be using very minimal power. However, as soon as you pull that plug, it is as good as in hibernation.

helmutcheese · 22 Mar 2008 at 15:34

It does not, if you knew about it or read up on it to would know it writes the DATA to the HDD aswell as Memory (thats why Win Live MSG opened but did not LOG in after no power).

Sleep/Hibernate/Hybrid Sleep are 3 different things.

The PC cannot change from Sleep to Hibernate when it sences me pulling power lol.

I used HYBRID SLEEP, strongy advise you go and read up on what it actually does.

I have been with Vista through early Longhorns to offical Beta tests and have seen the above in many stages, some broken.

It now near enough works but on some Bios like newer ASUS (Striker II) the NIC can act up and you on a local connection once you resume. (Down to Asus to fix, they fixed this one for me but I shouldnt need see Bios Boot Sequence).

There was no difference apart from I had hit log on button in Win Live MSG after no power.

Again my PC was not in Sleep or Hibernate (Vista does not have Hibernate).

http://windowsitpro.com/article/art...dows-vistas-sleep-and-hybrid-sleep-modes.html

ns400r · 22 Mar 2008 at 15:52

helmutcheese said:
It does not, if you knew about it or read up on it to would know it writes the DATA to the HDD aswell as Memory (thats why Win Live MSG opened but did not LOG in after no power).

Sleep/Hibernate/Hybrid Sleep are 3 different things.

The PC cannot change from Sleep to Hibernate when it sences me pulling power lol.

I used HYBRID SLEEP, strongy advise you go and read up on what it actually does.

I have been with Vista through early Longhorns to offical Beta tests and have seen the above in many stages, some broken.

It now near enough works but on some Bios like newer ASUS (Striker II) the NIC can act up and you on a local connection once you resume. (Down to Asus to fix, they fixed this one for me but I shouldnt need see Bios Boot Sequence).

There was no difference apart from I had hit log on button in Win Live MSG after no power.

Again my PC was not in Sleep or Hibernate (Vista does not have Hibernate).

http://windowsitpro.com/article/art...dows-vistas-sleep-and-hybrid-sleep-modes.html

tim80bwi is correct.
When the power lead is in the system is sleeping. When the power lead is pulled the system is OFF and when the power is restored the system restores the previuosly saved data from the HDD.

box · 22 Mar 2008 at 15:58

helmutcheese said:
It does not, if you knew about it or read up on it to would know it writes the DATA to the HDD aswell as Memory (thats why Win Live MSG opened but did not LOG in after no power).

Sleep/Hibernate/Hybrid Sleep are 3 different things.

The PC cannot change from Sleep to Hibernate when it sences me pulling power lol.

I used HYBRID SLEEP, strongy advise you go and read up on what it actually does.

I have been with Vista through early Longhorns to offical Beta tests and have seen the above in many stages, some broken.

Not gonna argue with ya buddy. But I suggest you might consider finding more accurate sources from which to draw your knowledge

(Vista does not have Hibernate).

hmmm.....

helmutcheese · 22 Mar 2008 at 15:58

Yes but it dont suddenly change to Hibernate (something Vista does not have).

Hybrid Sleep writes DATA to both Memory and the HDD at time you choose it, thats why it takes longer than simply Sleep.

It may have been way he read my post or I read his, but I do know what it does m8.

I also know I could have left power out for 1 year and it would resume but again no Log into any thing like Win Live MSG, so basically there is no real downside apart from I had click Log In button.

So to claim Hybrid Sleep needs power is a 2 way street and not exactly 100% true.

tim80bwi, dont be a smart$$, I get my info from MS team leaders on the Beta teams, advise you read the above and see where you and me may have misread each other.