BREAKING NEWS ALERT! Antarctica gone down to the pub

Tefal said:
Ice is fresh water, sea is salt water, salt water is more dense and as such when the ice melts it raises the water level by 2.6% of its displaced volume to the water.

AS ulf said read the thread ;)
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Now I'm really confused! I think you need to read my post again!

yak.h'cir said:
However you said Ice was more dense then water (I presume you were referring to liquid) and not sea water.
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He did say that ice was more dense then water so when people pointed out this was incorrect they were right. I know he meant sea water but this is not what he said originally and I did draw attention to the difference in my post.

yak.h'cir said:
Melting ice will cause sea levels to rise when the ice was resting on land. Obviously when this melts and flows into the sea it will increase sea levels.
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If you're saying this is incorrect then you're saying that a melting block of ice suspended above a pool of sea water (or water) melting would not cause the the level of the pool to rise. I really don't see how anyone could not thing this is true!!! The affect is multiplied with the sea water due to the dilution reducing the density further! Hence my confusion...
 
yak.h'cir said:
He did say that ice was more dense then water so when people pointed out this was incorrect they were right. I know he meant sea water but this is not what he said originally and I did draw attention to the difference in my post.
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Yes but this is a thread about climate change so I am obviously talking about (fresh) arctic ice in sea water not ice cubes melting in a glass of tapwater. I didn't mention this at first because I didn't realise the difference at the time, I was just parroting documentaries.

yak.h'cir said:
you're saying that a melting block of ice suspended above a pool of sea water (or water) melting would not cause the the level of the pool to rise
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He's not saying that because ice bergs and ice caps etc. are not suspended above the ocean, they're in it.
 
Ulfhedjinn said:
Yes but this is a thread about climate change so I am obviously talking about (fresh) arctic ice in sea water not ice cubes melting in a glass of tapwater. I didn't mention this at first because I didn't realise the difference at the time, I was just parroting documentaries.
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Stop trying to dig you way out, as you also said that a boat is more dense than water. So it's very clear what you thought.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Stop trying to dig you way out, as you also said that a boat is more dense than water. So it's very clear what you thought.
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That was purely a retard moment with buoyancy not with density. I'm not trying to dig my way out of anything and Tefal and I already covered that exact point, so as is becoming my favourite phrase today: Try reading the thread.

I think I've called myself a retard enough times in this thread to show I don't care about "digging my way out".
 
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Ulfhedjinn said:
Yes but this is a thread about climate change so I am obviously talking about (fresh) arctic ice in sea water not ice cubes melting in a glass of tapwater. I didn't mention this at first because I didn't realise the difference at the time, I was just parroting documentaries.
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When you say ice is more dense then water (liquid) because it solids are more dense then liquids you're obviously going to have people pointing out your mistake. I believe I even made reference to the point that sea water would be different!

It was quite obvious that you were completely unaware of why ice floats on water and I didn't feel that anyone had actually tried to explain why this was to you (Hydrogen bonding - solid structure of water has large spaces because of this) so I thought I would explain this part to you rather then just tell you to go back to school.

Either way, Ice is less dense then sea water and water so it really doesn't matter which you were referring to when you were taking about with regards to ice being denser as it's the same.

Ulfhedjinn said:
He's not saying that because ice bergs and ice caps etc. are not suspended above the ocean, they're in it.
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Bah, you really need to reread my posts, and the quoted sections that I was responding to. Tefal quoted a section of my post referring to ice melting that was on land, with the melt water running into the sea and increasing the sea level. He then said that I should fess up to being incorrect about this. The ice on land is the same as having the ice suspended above the water (in relation to this discussion). I used the example of suspending the ice above the water to simplify the matter enough so it could be understood by those having trouble with the concept.

To clarify further, ice that is resting on the land is not in the ocean and it's melting will have much more serious affects on sea level then that of ice already floating in the sea.
 
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tntcoder said:
We didnt listen!
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Lol

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yak.h'cir said:
But when you say ice is more dense then water (liquid) because it solids are more dense then liquids you're obviously going to have people pointing out your mistake.
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I know, but like I said I was parroting documentaries. :p

yak.h'cir said:
To clarify further, ice that is resting on the land is not in the ocean and it's melting will have much more serious affects on sea level then that of ice already floating in the sea.
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Not relevent to the thread since the disappearance of glaciers is well documented.
 
Ulfhedjinn said:
I know, but like I said I was parroting documentaries. :p
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I'd be very surprised if you would were parroting documentaries because they would have been totally wrong.

Ulfhedjinn said:
Not relevent to the thread since the disappearance of glaciers is well documented.
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You do realise that most of the ice in Antarctica is on land don't you? It's the Arctic (North pole area) that is floating ice.
 
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