Jaguar and Land Rover to be sold to Tata

[TW]Fox;11369845 said:
In this market, figures like this are important:

BMW 530d: 0-62, 6.8 seconds, 44.1mpg
Jaguar XF 2.7d: 0-62, 8.2 seconds, 37.6mpg

Tell you what though, and this is completely unrelated but something I noticed from the Jag website, the XF has two acceleration figures, 0-60mph and 0-100kph (So 62mph). Interestingly 0-60 is 7.8 seconds, but 0-62 is 0.4 seconds! I guess that shows you quite what a difference it can make mixing up this sort of figure from 0-100kmh which most manufacturers now use.
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I don't think that a buyer of a XF 2.7d is worried about being 1.4 secs slower to 60 than a 530 BMW.

They are not sports cars but rather luxo barges for reps on motorways..
 
I think Jag will be ok if Tata just leave them to get on with it. The XF should sell a lot better than the S-type and the XK has been a success. They need the money now to launch a completely new XJ and smaller sports car. I just hope they don't try another X-tpye though, that would be the company finished :(
 
I agree with Fox regarding the engines. If Jag can develop a new range of power plants, then maybe they can improve across the range.

It would be a shame to see Jag go to the wall, however, I think the recent state of the UK car industry has more to do with the state of manufacturing in this country than the marques themselves.

It seems that it costs so much to pay the bills that there's simply nothing left to invest in future development, then sales slip as models become old and tired so cash becomes even tighter and they spiral downwards until they close down altogether.
 
[TW]Fox;11369845 said:
In this market, figures like this are important:

BMW 530d: 0-62, 6.8 seconds, 44.1mpg
Jaguar XF 2.7d: 0-62, 8.2 seconds, 37.6mpg
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I'd still take the XF, its fresh and its something special for its class, even though I would say it’s in a different league to the 5-Series, but that’s just my opinion.
Yes a diesel that’s as quick as a CTR to 60 may be appealing but I'm sure it would soon wear off, as already said you don’t buy a diesel as a sports car.
If you want an XF to move, common sense would say to go for a V8, if not the 2.7D.

In the defense of BMW, I would like to see a comparision of the M5 and XFR
 
Flukester said:
I don't think that a buyer of a XF 2.7d is worried about being 1.4 secs slower to 60 than a 530 BMW.
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I only used that becuase it was the only performance figure available to hand. The gap just keeps getting bigger no matter what figures you look at, it is a considerably slower car.

When you consider the typical 5 Series company car buyer - and this is the market Jaguar are aiming at - things like performance DO matter, as does economy becusae economy is roughly proportional to C02 and C02 dictates the company car tax.

The only people I've heard saying 'I'd take the XF any day' are people who don't actually drive this sort of car.

If you want an XF to move, common sense would say to go for a V8
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Which sums it up. Most company car buyers in this class are unable to chose the V8. They have to have a diesel.
 
What Car? rated the XF diesel over the equivalent 5-Series in their COTY issue.

Mind you - this same publication also rated the 1.4 Corsa over the new Fiat 500 so I think we can safely say that they have no idea what they're talking about....
 
I'm not too fussed at the moment with the Tata situation. I'm waiting on my graduate interview for Jaguar/Land Rover at the moment, and it still is a job that I would like to have. I've spoken to a few people there, (new and old employees) and they don't seem to be worried at all by the takeover situation.

At the end of the day, Jaguar/Land Rover would be a very difficult thing to break up quickly, as they use so many common components and designs. I know there is the risk they'll eventually try getting rid of the Jaguar brand, but I really don't see it happening for a good while, and I still would like to work for them.
 
JRS said:
What Car? rated the XF diesel over the equivalent 5-Series in their COTY issue.

Mind you - this same publication also rated the 1.4 Corsa over the new Fiat 500 so I think we can safely say that they have no idea what they're talking about....
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Which is my point - I think some test drive blaggage is in order becuase the entire motoring press has themselves whipped up into a frenzy about the XF.

Half of me thinks if he had any badge on the front bar Jaguar they'd say 'Nice try, but missing some key features'.
 
Sure, speed isn't necessarily the most important point, but I think the figues Fox has shown clearly show Jag's problem; it's slower, and far less efficient! So where's the advantage?

I'd take the 5 series, but then again I'll never be driving either of these....
 
Exactly - and although most company car drivers dont care about mpg becuase someone else pays, they DO care about tax! And tax is based on C02 which is roughly proportional to mpg.

These figures will best illustrate the problem with the XF diesel still further.

BMW 530i PETROL AUTO: 37.7mpg combined.

Thats right - even the 3 litre, 272bhp petrol 5 Series is more economical (Albeit only just) than the XF diesel...
 
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JLR are going green in a big way, Im not sure what new powerplants in the internal combustion sense are on the cards, but certainly more than one hybrid vehicle is. The recent VED changes and CO2 company car banding will only push them further in that direction.

Im glad to see this deal finalised now though. The contract Im due to sign really didnt seem to affected by the takeoever by Tata and the Gaydon and Whitley development centres are pretty impressive places so moving those overseas isnt gonna happen in the immediate future (+indian engineers are no where near the UK guys at the moment)
 
OMG well without sounding to presumptuous, does this mean that the designers are going to make look them crap from now on ?
 
ajgoodfellow said:
Why?

They'll still be designed and built in England - they'll just be owned by an Indian company instead of an American one
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Fair enough but surely they will want some sort of influence ? You would expect changes to be made right ?
 
Yes I would but from what I've read in AutoCar they are only going to be fairly small in terms of design - they were impressed with the new design language shown by the XF

I don't think they'd want them to look like a typical Indian car
 
Jonnycoupe said:
JLR are going green in a big way, Im not sure what new powerplants in the internal combustion sense are on the cards, but certainly more than one hybrid vehicle is. The recent VED changes and CO2 company car banding will only push them further in that direction.

Im glad to see this deal finalised now though. The contract Im due to sign really didnt seem to affected by the takeoever by Tata and the Gaydon and Whitley development centres are pretty impressive places so moving those overseas isnt gonna happen in the immediate future (+indian engineers are no where near the UK guys at the moment)
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I know Land Rover are pushing at leat one hybrid vehicle through at the moment with the little LRX coupe thing they showed, but not sure on what the Jaguar side of things will be doing, I'd expect if the X-Type actually stays in production, they'd use that for starters.

I've worked at both Gaydon and Whitley, they certainly wouldn't be able to move Gaydon very quickly! Though Whitley would be slightly easier as it's mostly offices and workshops that can be moved, whereas Gaydon has the miles of private test tracks and offroad courses.
 
SiHH said:
Fair enough but surely they will want some sort of influence ? You would expect changes to be made right ?
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When LR are making £1.3 Bn profit. Not really no.

Prestige brands you want to keep their identity rather than giving it an indian theme for the sake of it.

Well atleast thats what i hope happens. JLR have a rather impressive design studio with the worlds most advanced CAVE.

http://www.sony.co.uk/biz/view/Show...ter&pressrelease=1201538197490&site=biz_en_GB
 
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