Canada seal hunting

jamief said:
A seal is a mammal. There is also still debate as to whether fish feel pain, where mammals most certainly do (and killing seals is completely unneccesary).

Imagine if it was a dog rather than a seal, would you still be so nonchalant?
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Oh right, so it only matters if it's a mammal?
If like a seal, a dog was relied upon as a staple food and resource for clothing, shelter and fuel, yes I would be as nonchalant. Killing seals is very necessary. You cannot eat them or use their skin when they are alive.

When used properly, the hakapik has been proven to kill a seal instantly and has been deemed "humane". It's no different to shoving a bolt through a cow's head, shooting a rabbit with an air rifle, killing a fish with a priest or breaking a chicken's neck.
 
my understanding was that the culls were neccessary to maintain fish stock? Therefore, thats your reason. Fair one or not.

Also, it would be a little difficult to drag an abbatoir around on the ice to kill them in the same way as cows - tho i agree there is probably a "better" way
 
Pug said:
my understanding was that the culls were neccessary to maintain fish stock? Therefore, thats your reason. Fair one or not.

Also, it would be a little difficult to drag an abbatoir around on the ice to kill them in the same way as cows - tho i agree there is probably a "better" way
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Why would you need an abattoir if you're only killing them to control the population? Just leave 'em for the polar bears.

The problem as I see it is that it seems that these seal-clubbers are actually too stupid to use the hakapik properly. It should be a humane way of killing seal cubs, but I don't believe that it actually is because it is not used properly. We've all seen pictures of baby seals left dying after an incorrect hakapik strike. I'd hope everyone would agree that skinning any living creature alive was morally unacceptable.
 
scorza said:
Why would you need an abattoir if you're only killing them to control the population? Just leave 'em for the polar bears.

The problem as I see it is that it seems that these seal-clubbers are actually too stupid to use the hakapik properly. It should be a humane way of killing seal cubs, but I don't believe that it actually is because it is not used properly. We've all seen pictures of baby seals left dying after an incorrect hakapik strike. I'd hope everyone would agree that skinning any living creature alive was morally unacceptable.
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well, the abbatoir comment was more to do with the fact people were suggestimg electrocution/restrained bolt was a better way of killing (more than the processing)

Disagree with leaving for polar bears tho, would upset the natural ecosystem potentially.

And i agree, no sane person could condone the skinning of a living animal, but movements |= living.
 
the thing i dont like about it is the secrecy press, wildlife experts, and environmentalist who are trying to actually record everything are not given permission to do so until after the cull has started.
It’s a multi million pound industry that isn’t properly monitored
 
scorza said:
Why would you need an abattoir if you're only killing them to control the population? Just leave 'em for the polar bears.
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So you want to raise the polar bear population, so that after a while we can see the polar bears starve?

And if we're killing them we may as well use them for meat,fat,oil,skin etc.
 
Spend_day said:
It’s a multi million pound industry that isn’t properly monitored
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No it's monitored by government officials, which is proper monitoring. Does microsoft or apple let members of the press come and go filming what ever they like at will?

It's about money, not tradition. The reason they are clubbing the seals rather than shooting or stabbing them is to leave the fur intact to sell.


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Yess because stabbing it and waiting for it to bleed/suffocate to death is far more humane, and a large number of people discharge firearms in close vicinity to each other with risks of ricochets etc, is a very smart thing to do isnt it.
 
Tefal said:
And if we're killing them we may as well use them for meat,fat,oil,skin etc.
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No because then you end up confusing the issues. You perform a cull because an animal is overly successful in its environment, threatening other species. You hunt because an animal has resources that you need. The two should not be confused, or you end up with a situation like in the UK where for decades we had fox hunting on the grounds that it was culling a pest, although it now turns out that culling foxes with rifles is far more effective as a culling technique.

As to the situation in Canada regarding the seals, it's the same situation, people are hunting seals and using the "cull" to excuse it. The cull is not monitored effectively by the Canadian government - they are only allowed to kill around 300k seals yet kill many more, selecting the seals with the best pelts - the rest are thrown over the ice. This is a hunt, not a cull, and should be monitored as a hunt.
 
Tefal said:
unless you never eat take away curry then you've eaten halal meat, almost all curry places are halal.
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Eh? What made you think that?

Why would all India restaurants use halal meat when halal meat is an Islamic concept and the vast majority of Indians are Hindu?
 
Eriedor said:
Eh? What made you think that?

Why would all India restaurants use halal meat when halal meat is an Islamic concept and the vast majority of Indians are Hindu?
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What makes you think curry places and take always are run by Indians, or why they would cut their customer base?

I know this because i live near curry mile in Manchester, and almost every singe one of the places there has a sign saying halal.

Hell even the Chinese takeaway has a halal sign.
 
scorza said:
Why is that funny? Obviously you use one-way nets and drive them onto the shore, then club them to death. Hilarious.
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Yupe, you can see videos the hippies have made on youtube but its all old news now.. they seem to think its still going just so they have something else to moan about.. the video is pretty uneasy to see,

ohyeah, and they didnt eat them or anything.
 
Tefal said:
What makes you think curry places and take always are run by Indians, or why they would cut their customer base?

I know this because i live near curry mile in Manchester, and almost every singe one of the places there has a sign saying halal.

Hell even the Chinese takeaway has a halal sign.
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I can make an assumption that the most are run by Indians which is fair and make an assumption that most wouldn't jepardise their dishes with poorer tasting meat for a small ethnic minority.

It would seem based on your small sample of evidence and the fact the chinese is also halal that the area likely consists of many muslims and the restaurateurs are catering to them.
 
Eriedor said:
I can make an assumption that the most are run by Indians which is fair and make an assumption that most wouldn't jepardise their dishes with poorer tasting meat for a small ethnic minority.

It would seem based on your small sample of evidence and the fact the chinese is also halal that the area likely consists of many muslims and the restaurateurs are catering to them.
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Almost every curry place/takeaway in Manchester has a sign for halal meat...

You also realize that most curries eaten here, are of British origin and share almost nothing with the Indian variety, right?
 
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