Glasgow man is jailed after retaliating against knife thug

Baz · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:08

robmiller said:
yeah man totally sod the due process of the law just give idiots shotguns!!

Er, right

SO you think Tony Martin did the wrong thing?? He had been broken into many times prior to the shooting, he had called police who didn't give a hoot about him, he wakes up to find two thieving scum bag ****** in his house, tell me, what would you do?

I would make sure they were both dead!

[FnG]magnolia · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:10

A grown-up ned ran over a younger ned.

Judge was spot on.

[TR]SweetSpotOz · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:11

Dolph · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:14

Baz said:
Er, right

SO you think Tony Martin did the wrong thing?? He had been broken into many times prior to the shooting, he had called police who didn't give a hoot about him, he wakes up to find two thieving scum bag ****** in his house, tell me, what would you do?

I would make sure they were both dead!

He shot a man in the back as he ran away, that's not self defence by any stretch of the imagination.

Baz · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:17

markyp23 said:
Yes.

Do you think we should all be allowed to deal our own punishments as we see fit?

The judges can't seem to do it, so why shouldn't we!!!

Seriously though, the punishment in this country is a joke, the criminals know this and they know the law often sides with them. If the judge in the OP's case had an ounce of common sense, they would have let the man go and told him to try harder.

This country is to soft by a long shot.

Baz · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:19

Dolph said:
He shot a man in the back as he ran away, that's not self defence by any stretch of the imagination.

I didn't say it was or wasn't.

If you were a 50 something man living in the middle of no-where with two young, strong and fit(ish) *****'s in your house, you would be scared for your life, even if they were running away as you don't know what they are going to do. As I said, the only problem with Tony Martin is that he didn't shoot both of them dead!

xen_ · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:20

Baz said:
I would make sure they were both dead!

Well fortunately the law is here to stop people like you.

craptakular · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:21

The law needs toughning up.

Found guilty of murder, rape, pedo, other sex offenses shoudl equal death by hanging.

Manslaughter & other violent offenses should be 20 years+ without parole.

Anti-social behavour should get you 10 years wihout parole & then deported if your an immigrant.

I would have a lot of people dead or locked away for life.

Baz · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:24

xen_ said:
Well fortunately the law is here to stop people like you.

It is people with ideals like yours that is letting chavs and the like run around ruling the streets....

So you would prefer to give to known criminals (in the Martin Case) a slap on the wrist, if Martin hadn't shot them, and the slim chance they were actually arrested, only to do it again, and possibly hurt/kill an innocent person.

You are thinking the man Martin killed was innocent, he wasn't!

craptakular · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:24

oh and in prison no TV, no Sky no outdoor activities, no socialising, solatery confinment

Baz · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:26

Oxy said:
oh and in prison no TV, no Sky no outdoor activities, no socialising, solatery confinment

You really want them on some kind of Chain-Gang though, so they repay society....

Firegod · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:28

People in hear need to step back from there "oh so mighty keyboards". Tony Martin did the world a favour. Rid world of the scum. How anybody can take the criminals side... "oh they were shot in the back".... who gives a ****. The bloke was trying to stab and steal. Damn, people need to get some perspective. "Oh sorry that's ok, he's tried to rob me and KILL me but he's running away now.... best let him go!".

FFS.

Gackt · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:28

Oxy said:
I would have a lot of people dead or locked away for life.

Thankfully you have no power.

It is people with ideals like yours that is letting chavs and the like run around ruling the streets....

It's ideals like that which keep us from being a barbaric society. It's ideals like yours which would see a loss of freedom for all people, the killing of innocent people and the hunting down of those who made a mistake.

semi-pro waster · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:40

Baz said:
It is people with ideals like yours that is letting chavs and the like run around ruling the streets....

So you would prefer to give to known criminals (in the Martin Case) a slap on the wrist, if Martin hadn't shot them, and the slim chance they were actually arrested, only to do it again, and possibly hurt/kill an innocent person.

Vigilante justice is to justice what military music is to music to paraphrase Groucho Marx. I don't think anyone is advocating a slap on the wrist but surely shooting someone in the back while they are running away then leaving them to die is a shade harsh as a response to a thief. Just ever so slightly disproportionate, no?

Baz said:
You are thinking the man Martin killed was innocent, he wasn't!

That's a rather separate argument as to whether he deserved to die. I'm under no illusions about the fact that the lad who was killed was a known housebreaker and general n'er-do-well but there is a substantial step between burglary and killing.

craptakular · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:41

Firegod said:
People in hear need to step back from there "oh so mighty keyboards". Tony Martin did the world a favour. Rid world of the scum. How anybody can take the criminals side... "oh they were shot in the back".... who gives a ****. The bloke was trying to stab and steal. Damn, people need to get some perspective. "Oh sorry that's ok, he's tried to rob me and KILL me but he's running away now.... best let him go!".

FFS.

I agree with you, but Tony Martin said to his mates ages before the shooting that he would kill anyone that tried to break in.

He was true to his word. I don't think thats wrong at all. If anyone comes on your property to steal or cause harm I think you should be able to torture them before a beheading or something similar.

When they enter your property illegally, they should leave there rights at the door too.

Baz · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:43

Gackt said:
Thankfully you have no power.

It's ideals like that which keep us from being a barbaric society. It's ideals like yours which would see a loss of freedom for all people, the killing of innocent people and the hunting down of those who made a mistake.

There is making a mistake and there is terrorising people, which is what this amounts to.

I would not hesitate to defend my property, myself or anyone in my house from scum like that. I have a right to defend my property. They do not have a right to intimidate, hound and harass people.

Baz · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:44

semi-pro waster said:
Vigilante justice is to justice what military music is to music to paraphrase Groucho Marx. I don't think anyone is advocating a slap on the wrist but surely shooting someone in the back while they are running away then leaving them to die is a shade harsh as a response to a thief. Just ever so slightly disproportionate, no?

That's a rather separate argument as to whether he deserved to die. I'm under no illusions about the fact that the lad who was killed was a known housebreaker and general n'er-do-well but there is a substantial step between burglery and killing.

I'll put it another way, did he do anything with his miserable life to suggest he should live?

Dolph · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:48

Baz said:
There is making a mistake and there is terrorising people, which is what this amounts to.

I would not hesitate to defend my property, myself or anyone in my house from scum like that. I have a right to defend my property. They do not have a right to intimidate, hound and harass people.

And you don't think threatening the lives of others is intimidating?

I always find it ironic that those who are so vocal about what should be done to criminals seem to share their thought processes much of the time.

semi-pro waster · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:50

Baz said:
I'll put it another way, did he do anything with his miserable life to suggest he should live?

I don't know, never having met the guy nor having the chance to now. However I'm not in the slightest convinced that I am a suitable person to decide on the fate of others and with all due respect I'm not sure you are either. In fact I don't think that Tony Martin is or was come to that.

Baz · 31 Mar 2008 at 17:53

semi-pro waster said:
I don't know, never having met the guy nor having the chance to now. However I'm not in the slightest convinced that I am a suitable person to decide on the fate of others and with all due respect I'm not sure you are either. In fact I don't think that Tony Martin is or was come to that.

Neither are 99% of judges, but they still decide...