Glasgow man is jailed after retaliating against knife thug

[Meridian]

Er, right

SO you think Tony Martin did the wrong thing?? He had been broken into many times prior to the shooting, he had called police who didn't give a hoot about him, he wakes up to find two thieving scum bag ****** in his house, tell me, what would you do?

I would make sure they were both dead!

No, he claimed he had been broken into twice before, but there is no evidence that this is actually true. He then shot a 14-year old in the back as he was running away, using an illegal shotgun, and then went off for a cup of tea with a neighbour without bothering to call the emergency services.


As for the original post, the story actually has a glaring lie in it: the van driver saw the man who had threatened him hours after the first incident, and then drove his van onto the pavement in order to hit him. That is in no stretch of the imagination, self-defence.


For those people who say you should be able to defend your house however you wish, here's a scenario if that was legal: your neighbour invites you into his house to discuss his parking dispute with you, then stabs you dead. He tells the police that he found you in there and defended his property. Following your rules he wouldn't even be investigated.


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[Andrew1978]

Drive away, you're in a big metal protective box, drive away, drive to the police station, problem solved.

from the way the story is written he wasn't actually in his car when he saw them. if they're at my car and i see them smash the window and have to get passed them to get in it, i dont care if i hit either of them as i make my escape.

 

[Dolph]

from the way the story is written he wasn't actually in his car when he saw them. if they're at my car and i see them smash the window and have to get passed them to get in it, i dont care if i hit either of them as i make my escape.

See Meridian's post above, that makes it far clearer...

 

[Andrew1978]

Well, thats a bit different than the newspaper article, i can see why he was in court now.

 

[semi-pro waster]

And why was he running away?

It's tempting to be facetious and say because someone was shooting at him.

However to answer properly he was running away because he'd been disturbed after breaking in.

 

[Killa_ken]

The judge is a useless dumb no good piece of **** whore.

If the idiot had not of pulled a knife he wouldnt of been run over, Do we throw lions in jail when they kill people for sticking their hand through a fence?

Is there an address or email where I can give this lesbian a piece of my mind?

 

[cokecan]

out of curiousity...if you did find some thevin chav in your property, what are you legally allowed to do to defend it and yourself?

would their age reflect what you can and can't do? cos theres a lot of 14 year olds and upwards doin it now days

what is classed as proportionate force?

 

[semi-pro waster]

I'd suggest one of the email addresses or the postal address from the Scottish Courts website or if you want to get it to the Supreme Court directly their email address is here and I'm sure they will be delighted to receive your comments.

 

[Killa_ken]

out of curiousity...if you did find some thevin chav in your property, what are you legally allowed to do to defend it and yourself?

would their age reflect what you can and can't do? cos theres a lot of 14 year olds and upwards doin it now days

what is classed as proportionate force?

Kill them and come to America where you will be classed as a hero instead of a murderer that you will in the crap hole that is 'great' (LOL) ****ain.

 

[semi-pro waster]

out of curiousity...if you did find some thevin chav in your property, what are you legally allowed to do to defend it and yourself?

would their age reflect what you can and can't do? cos theres a lot of 14 year olds and upwards doin it now days

what is classed as proportionate force?

There is no simple and definitive test, each situation will be judged on it's own individual merits. For example if someone threatens you causing you fear so you think you are in danger and you punch them once knocking them down that is arguably proportionate, if you then stamp on their head you are now well beyond what might be classed as proportionate.

 

[ethan]

It's tempting to be facetious and say because someone was shooting at him.

However to answer properly he was running away because he'd been disturbed after breaking in.

I know Semi...... I think it was me that was being facetious. Putting the rights and wrongs aside I think the moral of this tale is if he hadn't have engaged for one in the activity he was pursuing-on top of being in a property where he did not belong- he wouldn't have been shot: as sad as the outcome might be? Correct me if I am wrong here, but I do believe the sentencing would have been quite different if the robbery had have been in the States. Just reading your previous post- over here it seems to be a matter of proportion whichever the way we look at it. I am left wondering what the outcome could have been if it had been an elderly lady that had shot him?

 

[Dolph]

out of curiousity...if you did find some thevin chav in your property, what are you legally allowed to do to defend it and yourself?

would their age reflect what you can and can't do? cos theres a lot of 14 year olds and upwards doin it now days

what is classed as proportionate force?

The reasonable force test is definied as actions that an average person would consider reasonable at the time for defence. Generally as long as you don't carry on attacking once the danger is neutralised, and use an appropriate level of force to neutralise the danger, you'll be fine. That can easily include lethal force if you have reason to fear for your life (and an unknown assailant in the house with unknown intent qualifies)

 

[cokecan]

There is no simple and definitive test, each situation will be judged on it's own individual merits. For example if someone threatens you causing you fear and you punch them once knocking them down that is probably proportionate, if you then stamp on their head you are now well beyond what might be classed as proportionate.

thats what i was thinking, but wasnt sure whether the criminal could then turn round and get us done for abuse or somethin for laying a hand on someone that could potentially be younger that say 16 or 18

i know what you mean though, its a hard thing to really judge and give an answer as it could be different for every situation

 

[Caged]

Kill them and come to America where you will be classed as a hero instead of a murderer that you will in the crap hole that is 'great' (LOL) ****ain.

Well with you as a representative of that fine country I can't see why anyone wouldn't want to take up that offer.

You're really good at being a stereotype of the South. PS calling someone else's country a crap hole isn't a great idea. When did you last visit? Or have you only been as far as your sister's bedroom?

 

[Killa_ken]

it is a crap hole, I visited less then 10 months ago and spent the first 18 years of my life there. FYI.

 

[ethan]

The reasonable force test is definied as actions that an average person would consider reasonable at the time for defence. Generally as long as you don't carry on attacking once the danger is neutralised, and use an appropriate level of force to neutralise the danger, you'll be fine. That can easily include lethal force if you have reason to fear for your life (and an unknown assailant in the house with unknown intent qualifies)

To add to this I now believe there is something called "not in the public interest" that has a bearing on prosecution.

 

[xen_]

Kill them and come to America where you will be classed as a hero instead of a murderer that you will in the crap hole that is 'great' (LOL) ****ain.

Be classed as a hero for taking someone's life because they take your property? I'm glad I don't live in America, it seems you like living in a country where guns are readily available, and where homicide rates are higher than most European countries, ah well different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

[Monkey Puzzle]

The judge is a useless dumb no good piece of **** whore.

If the idiot had not of pulled a knife he wouldnt of been run over,

That's not a convincing argument. Any old psycho in a bar could use the same justification: "If he hadn't looked at me funny he wouldn't have got the living **** kicked out of him"

Do we throw lions in jail when they kill people for sticking their hand through a fence?

Not quite the same thing though is it? And anyway, they're already in jail, and we usually destroy them if they do that .

Is there an address or email where I can give this lesbian a piece of my mind?

What's her sexuality got to do with it?

 

[Dolph]

Be classed as a hero for taking someone's life because they take your property? I'm glad I don't live in America, it seems you like living in a country where guns are readily available, and where homicide rates are higher than most European countries, ah well different strokes for different folks I guess.

Remember than gun homicide rates go up in the US when gun control is put in place, and down when they are relaxed though....

 

[Inquisitor]

I'll put it another way, did he do anything with his miserable life to suggest he should live?

So you actually believe that life is a privilege that must be earned? That it's OK to kill people if they've done nothing worthwhile? Thank God you're not in power