new vista oem licence required after motherboard swap

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The OEM licence is designed for system builders, where it is assumed that no major system upgrades will take place after the first installation of Windows. Therefore, there is no necessity for the licence to be transferable to a new system (i.e. an upgraded one). This is the reason that it is cheaper.

If you don't like these licence's terms, then don't bloody well get an OEM licence; it's not designed for consumers like you, so you have no right to complain about it! The mere fact that you can buy it has no bearing on the fact that it's not designed to cater for you. There is a licence that does what you want, and it's called a Retail licence. If you want to install on different systems, then get that one instead. It's a no-brainer.

By your reasoning, if Microsoft were to start using another, even more restrictive licence, which could only be used on one system one time (no reinstalls allowed), then you, as a consumer, should be morally entitled to use this licence as many times as you want on as many different systems?

You're essentially saying that it's immoral for Microsoft not to allow you to use a licence outside its terms, which makes no sense whatsoever.

I don't get it :confused:
 
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gareth170 said:
u wouldn't sign a document without reading it, its same with software u should read the license first before clicking "i agree"

simple as that!!
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Oh come on.
While I agree with what's being said in the thread. If you take the risk of buying OEM, you take the limitations of said product.

However, you can't say that you read every single bit of license agreements on every piece of software you install.
In an ideal world, yes, we would, but in reality, I don't know anyone who does or has, and I know some real freaks ;)
 
Bod said:
However, you can't say that you read every single bit of license agreements on every piece of software you install.
In an ideal world, yes, we would, but in reality, I don't know anyone who does or has, and I know some real freaks ;)
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Of course not; I don't read every licence I agree to :p

What he's saying, though, is that if you don't then it's your own fault if you later on come up against some disagreeable terms in the licence agreement.
 
str said:
It's entirely plausable that the price of Retail Windows cannot be justified by the majority in todays consumer market and companies like OcUK make it very obvious because they do not stock the Retail version of Windows anymore instead they sell only the OEM version.
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Price is probably one factor but maybe the primary factor is the fact that as a computer components site, their main customer base are system builders?

str said:
todays consumer market they will and should be considered the minority
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That's a big, unfounded assumption. Do you know the sales figures for retail versus consumer bought OEM? No, thought not.

str said:
In consumer terms Microsoft's licensing agreement means absolutely nothing to the majority of Windows OEM purchasers because for most it isn't even read let alone understood so any restrictions in it regardless of the implied legal obligations will and should be considered null and void by those consumers.
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Well that's a great arguement, you don't read it therefore it's not applicable. That does not release you of your moral or legal obligations. I'm amazed that this actually makes sense to you, what are you on?

str said:
the reality is that such legalities etc mean nothing in todays consumer market. :eek:
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To you maybe but you are by no means representative of the whole market.

Burnsy
 
Bod said:
However, you can't say that you read every single bit of license agreements on every piece of software you install.
In an ideal world, yes, we would, but in reality, I don't know anyone who does or has, and I know some real freaks ;)
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I read any contract I agree to, surely that's good common sense?

Burnsy
 
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str:

The OEM licence is designed for system builders, where it is assumed that no major system upgrades will take place after the first installation of Windows. Therefore, there is no necessity for the licence to be transferable to a new system (i.e. an upgraded one). This is the reason that it is cheaper.

If you don't like these licence's terms, then don't bloody well get an OEM licence; it's not designed for consumers like you, so you have no right to complain about it! The mere fact that you can buy it has no bearing on the fact that it's not designed to cater for you. There is a licence that does what you want, and it's called a Retail licence. If you want to install on different systems, then get that one instead. It's a no-brainer.

By your reasoning, if Microsoft were to start using another, even more restrictive licence, which could only be used on one system one time (no reinstalls allowed), then you, as a consumer, should be morally entitled to use this licence as many times as you want on as many different systems?

You're essentially saying that it's immoral for Microsoft not to allow you to use a licence outside its terms, which makes no sense whatsoever.

I don't get it :confused:
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In the case of the OEM license agreement it isn't necessary to defend our rights because Microsoft do not enforce upon us their unreasonable restrictions.

I have shown above that Microsoft's actions do not conform to their own license agreement when they deal with us consumers meaning they do not restrict us regardless that they say they will in the OEM license agreement and likely they never will because if they did we would vigorously defend ourselves and of course it's almost certain that we would win because the license is not for consumers it is for OEMs.

Perhaps after the defeat they would introduce a consumer version and perhaps it would be more expensive than the OEM version of Windows but at least clarification will have occured.
 
str said:
In the case of the OEM license agreement it isn't necessary to defend our rights because Microsoft do not enforce upon us their unreasonable restrictions.
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What rights specificly?

str said:
I have shown above that Microsoft's actions do not conform to their own license agreement when they deal with us consumers meaning they do not restrict us regardless that they say they will in the OEM license agreement.
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How many times do I need to tell people activation != legally licensed.

str said:
and likely they never will because if they did we would vigorously defend ourselves and of course it's almost certain that we would win because the license is not for consumers it is for OEMs
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I'm sorry but EULA means END USER LICENCE AGREEMENT does it not? And and end user would be a consumer right?

Burnsy
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I read any contract I agree to, surely that's good common sense?

Burnsy
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Seriously? So personally as a consumer who for example purchases games and operating systems and whatever else you install on your PC that has a license agreement you must agree to before you can use it, you actually do read it and when you click I agree you are actually agreeing with it in it's entirety?

Surely you can't be missing the fact that millions of others click I agree to make use of a game or an operating system in otherwords clicking I agree has no bearing at all on the legalities with regards to installing a game or an operating system instead it's about clicking I agree to continue with the installation? :eek:
 
str said:
Seriously? So personally as a consumer who for example purchases games and operating systems and whatever else you install on your PC that has a license agreement you must agree to before you can use it, you actually do read it and when you click I agree you are actually agreeing with it in it's entirety?
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That's what I said isn't it?

Surely you can't be missing the fact that millions of others click I agree to make use of a game or an operating system in otherwords clicking I agree has no bearing at all on the legalities with regards to installing a game or an operating system instead it's about clicking I agree to continue with the installation? :eek:
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No bearing on the legalities? You are agreeing to a contract of use, of course it has a huge bearing on the legalities.

Burnsy
 
str said:
Seriously? So personally as a consumer who for example purchases games and operating systems and whatever else you install on your PC that has a license agreement you must agree to before you can use it, you actually do read it and when you click I agree you are actually agreeing with it in it's entirety?

Surely you can't be missing the fact that millions of others click I agree to make use of a game or an operating system in otherwords clicking I agree has no bearing at all on the legalities with regards to installing a game or an operating system instead it's about clicking I agree to continue with the installation? :eek:
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but u should read every license and if u don't agree with it u click i don't agree or cancel then take the software back to get your money back.
 
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