2008 Bahrain GP - Race 3/18

by virtue of the fact that he is the Messiah :D

Nah, hes just a cocky sod that got into a fast car straight off, therefore shows no consideration to people that have spent the last 5 years driving for slower teams wanting to get the position he walked into. Hes too cocky for his own good, I really hope Kimi wins this year.
 
Nah, hes just a cocky sod that got into a fast car straight off, therefore shows no consideration to people that have spent the last 5 years driving for slower teams wanting to get the position he walked into. Hes too cocky for his own good, I really hope Kimi wins this year.
Glad it isn't just me with that opinion. :)

I'm getting fed up with the British media talking about Lewis all the ruddy time. Sure he's good but F1 has 21 other drivers to talk about like Kimi, Alonso, Kubica, Rosberg etc.

And Lewis talks about not having an ego. But all great F1 drivers have to have an ego to be good. They need to think they are the best in the world. Schumacher had that, Senna had that. Probably so did Hakkinen and Alonso most definitely does. So why does he say he hasn't? To try and get a wider following?
 
Is everyone looking forward to the 30 minute feature ITV will surely do on the Alonso/Hamilton incident before the Spanish GP?

I've already pictured Ted Kravitz on the voiceover, flawed logic, dramatic music and slow motion zooms on Hamilton's face.

Edit: And excuses, lots and lots of excuses.
 
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Glad it isn't just me with that opinion. :)

I'm getting fed up with the British media talking about Lewis all the ruddy time. Sure he's good but F1 has 21 other drivers to talk about like Kimi, Alonso, Kubica, Rosberg etc.

And Lewis talks about not having an ego. But all great F1 drivers have to have an ego to be good. They need to think they are the best in the world. Schumacher had that, Senna had that. Probably so did Hakkinen and Alonso most definitely does. So why does he say he hasn't? To try and get a wider following?

LH is getting over analysed IMO. There's too much press about him... I mean did you know for example that he has arranged a "secret date" with Dannii Minogue next month?

LH has a huge ego but he sometimes likes to play modest.

Who cares - pretty much all the drivers in F1 have huge egos. And when they get with a winning car/team it just inflates it even further.

Kimi is perhaps the only one without an ego but that's only because he is like the Stig and doesn't have any emotions.

PS: LH isn't universally loved or anything. He has pretty big followings in the UK, USA and of course the Caribbean, Africa, etc. But apart from that... Just take a look on Youtube, there are hundreds of 'hate' videos on there about him. All preaching the same BS along the lines of "he's a lucky daddies boy who got lucky with his seat at McLaren..."
 
Is everyone looking forward to the 30 minute feature ITV will surely do on the Alonso/Hamilton incident before the Spanish GP?

I've already pictured Ted Kravitz on the voiceover, flawed logic, dramatic music and slow motion zooms on Hamilton's face.

Edit: And excuses, lots and lots of excuses.

Ooh... are you serious? Is it specific to that incident in Bahrain or is it a general documentary?
 
LH is getting over analysed IMO
True. :)

There's too much press about him... I mean did you know for example that he has arranged a "secret date" with Dannii Minogue next month?
Yes, way too much press about him. Let him win a title or two before we go all "ooh better than Schumacher" on him. And no I didn't know about this secret date.

LH has a huge ego but he sometimes likes to play modest.
I don't think anyone who has been with one of the best F1 teams pretty much for half his life and just walks into their F1 team and almost wins the title at his first go can't not have an ego.

Who cares - pretty much all the drivers in F1 have huge egos. And when they get with a winning car/team it just inflates it even further.
I'm not saying why does he have an ego but why does he try to pretend he doesn't or that he is less egocentric than others in F1. I'm not falling for it.

Kimi is perhaps the only one without an ego but that's only because he is like the Stig and doesn't have any emotions.
Yeah. Kimi is just so cool, no puns about the Iceman intended btw. He just talks as he sees fit to and is quite indepedent and unique within F1. Who else would admit to getting a tattoo? I think it is quite clear he is more relaxed at Ferrari who let him do what he wants rather than the overbearing corporateness of McLaren.

I can't remember where I read this, perhaps F1 Racing, but I did read a little quote or something from the point of view of Kimi's PR Ferrari person.

Kimi's PR said:
Kimi would you mind speaking to this journalist? Oh no, you don't want to? OK. No problems. :)

Now seeing as I can't remember where that came from I can't really prove it but I reckon that is quite an honest view of how Ferrari manage Kimi. They don't care what he says or does out of the car as long as he is fast and winning races in the car. :)

Ooh... are you serious? Is it specific to that incident in Bahrain or is it a general documentary?
Don't give ITV-F1 any ideas! :eek:

Lewis v Fernando: The History of bad blood
 
The most cringeworthy thing about Sunday's coverage was I think James Allen saying something like:

"Well Lewis is going to need to pull a Senna-esque move now to get back up the front"

I cringed... the current aerodynamics of the cars completely prevent that from ever happening. And talk about setting a completely impossible task that LH had no chance of fulfilling... so now there is a lot of mom&pop average joe type families in the UK thinking LH isn't as good as Senna... sigh. (Not saying he is, but I wouldn't say he isn't either... YET)
 
Bottom of all my MSN windows today.
"Get a Vroom...Lewis line up Grand Prix date with Danni Minogue"
Sigh.

lol, maybe I should pitch my ideas for the Lewis, Bahrain, bad start feature. They WILL do it, it would go against everything ITV stand for not to.
 
Yes and Ron Dennis mentioned this. He said that McLaren's telemetry indicated that the front wing downforce was lost 2 seconds prior to the incident with Fernando. This indicates that his wing maybe took a hit on the first corner and the fracture eventually snapped...

This would also explain Hamilton's confusion over the incident because with no front wing downforce of course his car would simply get sucked into the slipstream remarkably easily or at least significantly easier than he is used to.

As we all know though, what McLaren say, and what actually happened tend not to correlate ;)

autosport said:
Lewis Hamilton's front wing was broken early in the first lap of the Bahrain Grand Prix, photographs of his car prove, as mystery surrounds suggestions that his second-lap collision with Fernando Alonso was down to an unexpected mechanical failure.

McLaren told autosport.com today that they stand by their explanation that the upper front wing of Hamilton's car broke two seconds before he ran into the back of Alonso on lap two at Bahrain.

They claim the breakage led to a sudden loss of downforce, which sucked Hamilton into Alonso's slipstream much quicker that he was likely anticipating.

The team suspect that the wing breakage was caused as the result of a collision Hamilton made with another car, believed to be Alonso, at Turn Four on the opening lap.

The team's F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh said in a statement issued by the team: "It was only when I went into the engineers' room and started looking at the details that I realised Lewis's upper front wing had disappeared about two seconds before the accident, so he suddenly lost downforce."

However, onboard footage of Hamilton's car suggests that the bridge wing had broken, and parts of it flew off, as he exited Turn Four on the opening lap.

The damage has also been confirmed in photographs of Hamilton's car on the opening lap, clearly showing that the bridge wing was damaged early on.

Hamilton has already put the accident with Alonso down to a simple racing incident, and it is possible that the already broken wing could have affected his car's handling and drag levels.

With Alonso appearing to have a messy exit from Turn Two on the second lap, it is possible that Hamilton closed in on his rival much quicker than he expected, and was caught out as he tried to move around his rival.

Speaking after the race about what happened in the Alonso crash, Hamilton said: "I was behind him I went to move to the right and he went to move to the right as well and I ended up on the back somehow. It's racing.

That's nice of Lewis isn't it. He runs into the back of someone, but he is kind enough to put it down to 'It's racing' :rolleyes:
 
That's nice of Lewis isn't it. He runs into the back of someone, but he is kind enough to put it down to 'It's racing' :rolleyes:

OF course it's racing, it wasn't exactly intentional now, was it???

For the record, I'm an Alonso fan.
 
That's nice of Lewis isn't it. He runs into the back of someone, but he is kind enough to put it down to 'It's racing' :rolleyes:

No offence but this is exactly the thing I am talking about. You are over analysing everything LH says...

Of course it was simply a racing incident. He wouldn't have damaged his car delibrately would he?
 
No offence but this is exactly the thing I am talking about. You are over analysing everything LH says...

Of course it was simply a racing incident. He wouldn't have damaged his car delibrately would he?

Yeah, but it is awfully nice of him being the one to say it was just racing, it was Alonso who was the victim.
Especially after McLaren and their 'nah we wont speak to the stewards about it' etc.
Hamilton is over analyzed as he is the only one we get any reports of, it is a PITA.
 
No offence but this is exactly the thing I am talking about. You are over analysing everything LH says...

Of course it was simply a racing incident. He wouldn't have damaged his car delibrately would he?

I wonder if you would be saying the same, had it been Alonso who drove into the back of Hamilton?
 
Unless I watched a different race Hamilton was the victim (possibly of his own over-confidence). Alonso's race was pretty much unaffected - hell he even got a speed boost from the impact :p Alonso said his car wasn't affected by the shark bite in the rear wing.
 
I wonder if you would be saying the same, had it been Alonso who drove into the back of Hamilton?

With all the same known details and drivers reversed? I'd not really care. If anything it would be quite cool for LH to win a race or whatever with a damaged rear wing...

Obviously the initial reaction would be the same ("grr bloody alonso tried to crash LH off the track!") but once the details of what happened came out opinions quickly change don't they :)
 
Unless I watched a different race Hamilton was the victim (possibly of his own over-confidence). Alonso's race was pretty much unaffected - hell he even got a speed boost from the impact :p Alonso said his car wasn't affected by the shark bite in the rear wing.

:D
 
Yeah, but it is awfully nice of him being the one to say it was just racing, it was Alonso who was the victim.
Especially after McLaren and their 'nah we wont speak to the stewards about it' etc.
Hamilton is over analyzed as he is the only one we get any reports of, it is a PITA.

For "its racing" read "is was a mistake/accident"

Of course McLaren aren't going to go to the stewards if they realise their man made a mistake. They'd be wasting everyone's time.

I'm sure if you looked you could find plenty of reportage on the other drivers
 
^ It took 2 days for the press to publish a story on Kubica's off track excursion. It is now known that he didn't know about the oil on track and thought he had got a puncture so delibrately took the car the long way round to avoid spinning it. That's how Kimi got in front of him.
 
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