Why do we let the government walk all over us?

[Dolph]

It is all very well to blame the government and tax but lets not forget that the price of oil has increases too.

Shell made £13 billion profit with petrol and diesel accounting for a multi billion pund figure.

Then there is OPEC which quite simply is a cartel in control of the worlds oil.

It is not as simple as the government imposing fuel duty.

Without tax petrol would be around 35p/litre, even with the price rises. The tax rate is somewhere around 300%

 

[Snakedoctor]

I am quite happy about that, as long as it does not affect food and other prices. I walk everywhere generally.

 

[Dolph]

I am quite happy about that, as long as it does not affect food and other prices. I walk everywhere generally.

It does though, because hauliers get no duty relief, so high taxation affects everything you buy.

 

[Booner!]

It is all very well to blame the government and tax but lets not forget that the price of oil has increases too.

Shell made £13 billion profit with petrol and diesel accounting for a multi billion pund figure.

Then there is OPEC which quite simply is a cartel in control of the worlds oil.

It is not as simple as the government imposing fuel duty.

Hmm, another ill-informed post.

To quote myself:

That's fine, I don't mind oil rising as long as tax decreases...

 

[Slinwagh]

The graphs have been posted, I posted the text.

 

[Slinwagh]

Hmm, another ill-informed post.

To quote myself:

How is it ill informed?

You can't deny the obscene profits that oil companies make or the fact that OPEC is a cartel.

Yes fuel duty is part of the problem but it is not the only problem is it?

 

[Posty]

Cheap fuel isn't good for anyone

 

[[ASSE]Hinchy]

You won't see blockades by HGV drivers anymore.

The government stated that anyone blocking fuel depots will now be charged under the prevention of terrorism act along with their vehicles confiscated and HGV licenses revoked. No more protesting!

 

[Booner!]

The graphs have been posted, I posted the text.

Eh? the graphs show that tax + duty are the biggest contributors to fuel costs..

 

[Snakedoctor]

It does though, because hauliers get no duty relief, so high taxation affects everything you buy.

Yeah I know, I am just pleased I ditched driving a few years back.

 

[Lil old me]

I guess the counter argument is that revenue is needed. If we take away the tax on fuel then what will be used to fill the gap?

Its just too easy to tax fuel because 1. people need their cars (price inelastic) and 2. the environmental argument.

So either you cut spending ala 1980's Conservative government and get SLATED by the media and public OR you put up another tax. Now theres not a lot else which is as inelastic as fuel so the alternative will probably hurt people more and affect demand for it in more damaging ways. OR you put up income taxes, either NI or Income tax and we know how much people like it when the government takes away their wages...

I'm not supporting the government here, just, well things have to be paid for. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Slinwagh]

Eh? the graphs show that tax + duty are the biggest contributors to fuel costs..

I was saying that I posted the text of the amount of fuel duty on certain types of petrol, someone else posted the graphs, I was just trying to explain why I edited my post.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Yes fuel duty is part of the problem but it is not the only problem is it?

It is the largest problem.

 

[Visage]

Hmm, another ill-informed post.

To quote myself:

So in the last year of the tories the tax on fuel was 77% of the forecourt price (42.9p out of 55.8p) and now it is 67% (63.7p out of 95.1p)?

So in fact this government has *cut* the tax on fuel.

Thats enough to give them my vote....

 

[Booner!]

How is it ill informed?

You can't deny the obscene profits that oil companies make or the fact that OPEC is a cartel.

Yes fuel duty is part of the problem but it is not the only problem is it?

Oh I agree they make money, lots of it. The government make more though, for what reason? "To save the earth yadda yadda yadda"

I still need to drive to work? so it solves nothing. I would be happy to pay a duty if it went straight into the fund to find a new energy source? How do people feel about this?

 

[Slinwagh]

It is the largest problem.

I haven't said otherwise but would it not be prudent to address all the issues?

 

[Posty]

I think the price should be higher, get all the riff raff off the road so i dont have to sit in traffic jams

 

[[TW]Fox]

I haven't said otherwise but would it not be prudent to address all the issues?

How do you plan to address the issue of OPEC being a Cartel and speculators buying into commodoties as a hedge against the falling dollar, artificially inflating demand, then?

 

[Booner!]

So in the last year of the tories the tax on fuel was 77% of the forecourt price (42.9p out of 55.8p) and now it is 67% (63.7p out of 95.1p)?

So in fact this government has *cut* the tax on fuel.

Thats enough to give them my vote....

But why do motorists need to be penalised so heavily? drop the taxes and find the revenue elsewhere? Motorists suffer stealth taxes which the government cash in on and the money goes to all the wrong places.

 

[Dugganator]

You won't see blockades by HGV drivers anymore.

The government stated that anyone blocking fuel depots will now be charged under the prevention of terrorism act along with their vehicles confiscated and HGV licenses revoked. No more protesting!

See this is what gets to me. You have the government labeling someone that is protesting over the price of fuel as a terrorist WTF. So if you speak out against the government and take actions your a terrorist and on top of this your HGV licenses will be revoked. So people that are generally struggling to afford to run there company or pay the bills are bent over again and again. When will people see that this government isnt run by the people (as it should be) its being run by a small group of people that dont have to worry about money.