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The next Gen thread - R700 and GT200

ChrisD.

ChrisD.

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Been looking around for views on this and there isn't really a concrete thread for all chat related to this; it's all in other threads that have gone far off topic.

So, what are ATI and nVidia bringing to the market? The 8800GTX has been king for long enough, isn't is time both companies brought something extraordinary out? Will the above two GPUs offer that?

Interested in views and links to good tech stories.
 
I am not too hopeful really...

RV770 seems to be another mainstream card, just like RV670 was a meanstream card and should probably replace the price points originally held by RV670. There are lots of rumours involved but i believe that RV770 will end with 480 Stream Processors (vs 320 in RV670)m double the texture units (32 vs the pathetically low 16), the same 256-bit bus and hopefully GDDR5. The rumours also say that AA capability will be raised to the same level as G92 and thus eliminate the advnatge that G9x had over RV670 in both AA and AF. This fits in will with the rumour that R700 will be 2x RV770.

Another rumour is that its going to have 800 Stream processors but i dont really believe that as i think the chip would end being too big to use in a X2 style card.

G100 or GT200 has too many contradicting rumours, i seriously hope that they will finally deliver something that gives at least 2x the performance of G80.

Edit: The performance of RV770 if my predictions are correct should be faster than 8800 Ultra, but not by much. It should be able to beat any shrunk G92 that nvidia will ship though unless nvidia makes changes to G92, and i dont mean clockspeeds as RV770 should be able to clock at near 1GHz speeds.
 
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Agreed with your last statement, the 8800GTX was stonkingly quick when it came out, certaily a lot quicker then the 7900GTX it replaced. I'd like to see that again. I'm getting fed up with nVidia shrinking the die and overclocking the cards and then calling them the 9800GTX. It's just cheeky.
 
Well at the momet Nvidia are re-launching their 2006 8800's again on smaller 65nm processes and calling them the 9800's, and they are also giving them a price increase, In June/July, they are re-launching them for a second time, but this time they'll be on smaller 55nm's, and will be changed to the 9900's, they will also be getting a second price increase. :)

AMD's R700 is due in June, supposedly called the 4000 series, but those are rumoured to be still based on their old 2006 R600's as well, but no one knows at present if they will be getting a price increase, as when they relaunched these cards before (as the 3870's), they actually went down in price from when they were originally launched named the 2900's, sadly no one knows when they will both end this renaming of our old cards, and increasing prices phase at present, so theres no info available on their next gen cards, or when they'll see the light of day, or if ever they will, its bleak. :(
 
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LoadsaMoney said:
Well at the momet Nvidia are re-launching their 2006 8800's again on smaller 65nm processes and calling them the 9800's, and they also giving them a price increase, In June/July, they are re-launching them for a second time, but this time they'll be on smaller 55nm's, and will be changed to the 9900's, they will also be getting a second price increase. :)
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I thought that the 9900's were a new breed?
 
800 stream processors? I heard the RV770 was supposed to have 480sp and 1+ghz clockspeeds.

If that's true then the 4870x2 will have 960sps! :) Kind of excited about the release tbh, I hope there will still be a pencil mod.
 
Schnippzle said:
I thought that the 9900's were a new breed?
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Afraid not, 9900's are the 65nm 9800's (which in turn are the old 90nm 8800's from 2006 shrunk down) they slinging out now, but shrunk again to 55nm, they want to get their 2006 8800's transferred onto the 55nm as quick as possible, as the 65nm's they on now are to hot.:)
 
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hope ati cards will have great performance and there will be batle again to gain top market and maybe real next gen cards
 
From a business perspective theres no justification or incentive to release a "next gen" card

High end cards must account for an almost insignificant % of overall sales for ATI and Nvidia, then take into account that majority of gamers are prob on 22" or below, that Crysis is one game in hundreds then why develop a new card, I wouldn't for sure

With the exception of Crysis and maybe one or two other titles under DX10, then who cares whether a new card gives 250fps in COD4 as opposed to 100fps (for example) it would be pointless, other than either company claiming to be clearly the performance crown champions
 
but don't you think it will provide massive 'props' in the enthusiast community to be the first to market with a card that can max out crysis? word like that will spread...
 
-iceblade^ said:
but don't you think it will provide massive 'props' in the enthusiast community to be the first to market with a card that can max out crysis? word like that will spread...
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Yeh, I agree but the word still only spreads to a number of people that is %small in the grand scheme of things, albeit to those into PC Gaming

Suppose the flipside is that the lack of next gen cards may deter some games developers from working on titles that performance wise are miles ahead of the hardware, eg Crysis. It could hold back some of those, and perhaps even sway them to move to Console dev only
 
From a business perspective theres no justification or incentive to release a "next gen" card

High end cards must account for an almost insignificant % of overall sales for ATI and Nvidia, then take into account that majority of gamers are prob on 22" or below, that Crysis is one game in hundreds then why develop a new card, I wouldn't for sure

With the exception of Crysis and maybe one or two other titles under DX10, then who cares whether a new card gives 250fps in COD4 as opposed to 100fps (for example) it would be pointless, other than either company claiming to be clearly the performance crown champions
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In the OEM market, almost every PC offer i see now comes with a 22" monitor, and many enthusiasts are moving to 24". This resolution hike is going to drive a hell of a lot of demand for cards over the next year or two as people upgrade.
 
-iceblade^ said:
but don't you think it will provide massive 'props' in the enthusiast community to be the first to market with a card that can max out crysis? word like that will spread...
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But how much actual cash will it bring in. Nvidia/AMD make there money selling into OEM deals with Dell/HP etc These will be corporate guys wanting to have machines that run MSOffice for which you don't need uber amounts of power. Theres a reason why Intel is the biggest fish in the graphics market!

The actual cash generated from enthusiasts is insignificant in the overall market, makes headlines but doesn't seel much in the real revenue streams.

I see it hasn't taken long for this thread to go off topic with OMG Nvidia are doing ANOTHER refresh comments.
 
ten80p said:
From a business perspective theres no justification or incentive to release a "next gen" card

High end cards must account for an almost insignificant % of overall sales for ATI and Nvidia, then take into account that majority of gamers are prob on 22" or below, that Crysis is one game in hundreds then why develop a new card, I wouldn't for sure

With the exception of Crysis and maybe one or two other titles under DX10, then who cares whether a new card gives 250fps in COD4 as opposed to 100fps (for example) it would be pointless, other than either company claiming to be clearly the performance crown champions
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Surely the GTX counts as a "high end" card... surely you're not trying to say the sales of the GTX was insignificant in their books... I personally disagree with that statement. Graphics cards are fast becoming the bottleneck of most systems, while crysis may be the only game at the moment that is truly challenging systems, come July-August and Christmas time, I don't doubt that there will be many more titles beginning to get too intensive for this 2006 hardware.

Anyway that's neither here nor there, this thread is fast going OT. From what I read in CustomPC, the new ATI cards will simply be aimed at the mid-level consumer, nothing too high end as AMD's GPU end are trying to steer away from there (personally would like to see proof), they're trying to knock out the best bang for buck apparently. The 3870X2 was possibly their last attempt to take the performance crown? I personally think it's quite a smart move as I just don't see Nvidia being toppled performance wise, abit like Intel really, I think it's time AMD as a whole aimed at a different market?
 
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jambus said:
Anyway that's neither here nor there, this thread is fast going OT. From what I read in CustomPC, the new ATI cards will simply be aimed at the mid-level consumer, nothing too high end as AMD's GPU end are trying to steer away from there (personally would like to see proof), they're trying to knock out the best bang for buck apparently. The 3870X2 was possibly their last attempt to take the performance crown? I personally think it's quite a smart move as I just don't see Nvidia being toppled performance wise, abit like Intel really, I think it's time AMD as a whole aimed at a different market?
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a lot of that argument could have been used before the athlon came out & even Intel believed it as well ;)
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Afraid not, 9900's are the 65nm 9800's (which in turn are the old 90nm 8800's from 2006 shrunk down) they slinging out now, but shrunk again to 55nm, they want to get their 2006 8800's transferred onto the 55nm as quick as possible, as the 65nm's they on now are to hot.:)
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And you know this for certain? So all rumours saying the 9900GTX will be based on GT200 are false?
 
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