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The next Gen thread - R700 and GT200
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Ive been told the GT200, will come in two flavours.. a GTS style version and a GTX.
GTS - 512bit with 1gb of GDDR4
GTX - 1024bit with 2Gb of GDDR4
and that two moths after release there will be a refresh of the GTS with GDDR5 and a month after that the GTX will come in a GDDR5 flavour. Mem speeds in the GDDR5 cards is apparnelty going to be 2000mhz and above.
The 1024bit bus will be high unlikely. It will suck soo much power with such a large bus, plus the amoubt of space it will take up will make the core huge.
Isn't that going to be followed by the Quad-GPU 35nm refresh of the 7900 series?
Yep.
From what I can gather one core will be dedicated for physics using the Havoc Physics Engine and the other will have be ATI R770 GPU just incase you want to use ATI instead of Nvidia. The other two will be based on as you say a refresh of the 7900 series.
Thre great thing is that the card will be like the new 3850X3 card. The main PCB will have the ATI and Physics core will there are two add-on boards that slot into slots on the main PCB with the graphics GPUs on... the great thing is that you can interchange the two removable GPUs with any other GPU you want. Apparnetly ATI are going to be doing a trade in program where you can swap the Nvidia GPUs for ATI R770 GPUs so they can steal info and the design of the Nvidia GPU. Which is very good of them.
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Ive been told the GT200, will come in two flavours.. a GTS style version and a GTX.
GTS - 512bit with 1gb of GDDR4
GTX - 1024bit with 2Gb of GDDR4
and that two moths after release there will be a refresh of the GTS with GDDR5 and a month after that the GTX will come in a GDDR5 flavour. Mem speeds in the GDDR5 cards is apparnelty going to be 2000mhz and above.
What sort of price is the GTX version going to be my 7900gtx is getting a bit long in the tooth now
Ive been told the GT200, will come in two flavours.. a GTS style version and a GTX.
GTS - 512bit with 1gb of GDDR4
GTX - 1024bit with 2Gb of GDDR4
and that two moths after release there will be a refresh of the GTS with GDDR5 and a month after that the GTX will come in a GDDR5 flavour. Mem speeds in the GDDR5 cards is apparnelty going to be 2000mhz and above.
1024bit and 2GB of memory is a little unrealistic, would be nice though.
Well it probably didn't cost that much much compared to new GPU as they already had the 8800GTS G92, or maybe they had allot of G92 GPU's to shift or maybe they were just taking advantage of the the lack of competition, or maybe a mixture of all three.
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2560x1600 with 8x AA and 16x AF? o.O
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Even Quadro cards don't have 2GB of RAM. It's not necessary. More Stream Processors are however.
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I thought the true next gen cards from ATI an Nvidia were going to use GDDR5?
Well a larger bus will effectively do the same thing, so if the cost of that is lower than an equal speed of GDDR5 memory, it makes sense to just stick to the GDDR3 memory. They should get to GDDR5 though, and they need to have more stream processors.
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Loads please can you provide some sources for this info for me to look at asap.
I got all that info from some links in here somewhere that were posted by Forn. a while ago now, thats when everybody was saying eh, thought the GT200's were the next gen, as the articles were saying they are the 9900's, but just another refresh, but will be on a 55nm, as Nvidia want to get onto the 55nm as soon as, as the 65nm's are to hot, ill have a look see if i can dig the threads up.
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Loads please can you provide some sources for this info for me to look at asap.
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7495.html
http://vr-zone.com/articles/Nvidia_Prepares_55nm_G92_Against_AMD_RV770/5645.html4
http://vr-zone.com/articles/55nm_RV770_&_G92b_Die_Sizes_Comparison/5647.html
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Cheers Forn, i knew id seen it somewhere.
GT200 is the next gen card then as everyone originally thought, but thats coming later (after these 55nm 8800's), so i was getting confused above about the GT200 being the 9900's, as it isn't them, the 9900's are these 55nm 8800's that are coming, so at least i got that bit right.
GT200 is the next gen card then as everyone originally thought, but thats coming later (after these 55nm 8800's), so i was getting confused above about the GT200 being the 9900's, as it isn't them, the 9900's are these 55nm 8800's that are coming, so at least i got that bit right.
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so im guessing 9900s end of Q2, and GT200 end Q3?
Some people in this thread have said that faster cards are "just for Crysis", but I'm wondering do any of you play Stalker Shadow of Chernobyl?
I play it on a 1950Pro at 1280x800 with static lighting and scaling to 1920x1200 for my monitor, which gets me about 55fps. If I run it at 1920x1200 with dynamic lighting I get about 16 to 25fps depending on which flavour of "max" settings I use (there's basic and advanced). If I turn on indirect lighting, which is a console option not in the menus, it drops to 8fps in complex areas (and looks wonderful). So I thought about buying one of the cheap 8800GTXs that are around ATM.
Now I look at 8800GTX reviews using Stalker and they get 40 to 70fps depending on their settings, going from basic high to the basic maximum to advanced maximum. Nobody tests with indirect lighting. None of them are using the nvidia driver hack which allows true x4AA on the GPU. [Stalker uses a deferred renderer which won't work with multisample AA in DX9, because DX9 doesn't expose the functionality, but it can work with a hack that gets around the API.]
So there is a game which could absolutely use some more graphics power -- if the GT200 is twice as fast as the 8800GTX then maybe it can turn on MSAA and VSync. Two of them in SLi might get close to 60fps at 1920x1200 with MSAA and indirect lighting. And it's got a sequel coming, which is supposed to have the same performance but I've heard that one before.
Then today I played the Armed Assault demo, which ran at half the speed of Stalker...
I play it on a 1950Pro at 1280x800 with static lighting and scaling to 1920x1200 for my monitor, which gets me about 55fps. If I run it at 1920x1200 with dynamic lighting I get about 16 to 25fps depending on which flavour of "max" settings I use (there's basic and advanced). If I turn on indirect lighting, which is a console option not in the menus, it drops to 8fps in complex areas (and looks wonderful). So I thought about buying one of the cheap 8800GTXs that are around ATM.
Now I look at 8800GTX reviews using Stalker and they get 40 to 70fps depending on their settings, going from basic high to the basic maximum to advanced maximum. Nobody tests with indirect lighting. None of them are using the nvidia driver hack which allows true x4AA on the GPU. [Stalker uses a deferred renderer which won't work with multisample AA in DX9, because DX9 doesn't expose the functionality, but it can work with a hack that gets around the API.]
So there is a game which could absolutely use some more graphics power -- if the GT200 is twice as fast as the 8800GTX then maybe it can turn on MSAA and VSync. Two of them in SLi might get close to 60fps at 1920x1200 with MSAA and indirect lighting. And it's got a sequel coming, which is supposed to have the same performance but I've heard that one before.
Then today I played the Armed Assault demo, which ran at half the speed of Stalker...
lol, vsync just caps the game at your screen's refresh rate, to try and stop tearing etc
Cheers Forn, i knew id seen it somewhere.
GT200 is the next gen card then as everyone originally thought, but thats coming later (after these 55nm 8800's), so i was getting confused above about the GT200 being the 9900's, as it isn't them, the 9900's are these 55nm 8800's that are coming, so at least i got that bit right.
There just rumours, your reply suggests hes just given you concrete proof that 9900 are just 55nm refreshes.
What about this?
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/08/geforce-9800gx2-will-be-eoled-in-three-months/
http://en.expreview.com/2008/03/31/gt200-to-become-9900gtx-and-9900gx2-launch-date-set-to-july/
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Didnt consider it that way, if Nvidia just launched there 9800GTX/GX2 and replace it in 10-13 weeks time....
That dont make sense lol
But then again ATI been doing the samething for quite a while
Besides wont take much effort to cross out the 8 and put a 9 in there or even a 5....
That dont make sense lol
But then again ATI been doing the samething for quite a while
Besides wont take much effort to cross out the 8 and put a 9 in there or even a 5....
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I know they are rumours, i meant i was right about seeing it somewhere, and as for the above, thats what has got me confused, if GT200 is the proper next gen, then why are these saying they are part of the 9 series, as they cant be if they are the proper next gen cards, as the 9 series are 8800 refreshers.
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Sorry... which of these links states GT200 will not be a true next-gen? All I see are claims of a shrunken G92?
Cheers Forn, i knew id seen it somewhere.
GT200 is the next gen card then as everyone originally thought, but thats coming later (after these 55nm 8800's), so i was getting confused above about the GT200 being the 9900's, as it isn't them, the 9900's are these 55nm 8800's that are coming, so at least i got that bit right.
Ahh so in other words you were talking complete ****. Thought so...
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