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The next Gen thread - R700 and GT200

Morte66 said:
Some people in this thread have said that faster cards are "just for Crysis", but I'm wondering do any of you play Stalker Shadow of Chernobyl?

I play it on a 1950Pro at 1280x800 with static lighting and scaling to 1920x1200 for my monitor, which gets me about 55fps. If I run it at 1920x1200 with dynamic lighting I get about 16 to 25fps depending on which flavour of "max" settings I use (there's basic and advanced). If I turn on indirect lighting, which is a console option not in the menus, it drops to 8fps in complex areas (and looks wonderful). So I thought about buying one of the cheap 8800GTXs that are around ATM.

Now I look at 8800GTX reviews using Stalker and they get 40 to 70fps depending on their settings, going from basic high to the basic maximum to advanced maximum. Nobody tests with indirect lighting. None of them are using the nvidia driver hack which allows true x4AA on the GPU. [Stalker uses a deferred renderer which won't work with multisample AA in DX9, because DX9 doesn't expose the functionality, but it can work with a hack that gets around the API.]

So there is a game which could absolutely use some more graphics power -- if the GT200 is twice as fast as the 8800GTX then maybe it can turn on MSAA and VSync. Two of them in SLi might get close to 60fps at 1920x1200 with MSAA and indirect lighting. And it's got a sequel coming, which is supposed to have the same performance but I've heard that one before.

Then today I played the Armed Assault demo, which ran at half the speed of Stalker...
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8800GTX absoloutely murders the 1950Pro though
 
Richdog said:
Sorry... which of these links states GT200 will not be a true next-gen? All I see are claims of a shrunken G92?



Ahh so in other words you were talking complete ****. Thought so... ;)
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Yes basically as i was confused :p, and i still am by the above article claiming the GT200's are part of the 9 series, as if they are, then they can't be the next gen cards, as the 9 series are 8800 refresh arn't they. :D
 
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LoadsaMoney said:
Yes basically as i was confused :p, and i still am by the above article claiming the GT200's are part of the 9 series, as if they are, then they can't be the next gen cards, as the 9 series are 8800 refresh arn't they. :D
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Loadsa, give me a shout when "next generation" is out...I'll take your advice anyday.:)
 
LoadsaMoney said:
The 9800 GTX was £100+ more expensive when it launched.
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Just because some UK retailers put a large markup on it, doesnt meak it was actually £100+ more when it launched. It was retailing for about $5 more than the 8800GTS512's on several large american online retailers.

Nvidia dont force the retailers to sell at RRP.

An extra 20 quid for faster memory on the 9800GTX isnt that bad a deal, and its about 50/50 which is fastest between an 8800GTX and 9800GTX at 1920x1280 with 4xAA/16AF. Though as you push the resolution farther lack of memory on the 9800GTX causes its performance to come crashing down.

Still think if Nvidia had called it the 8900GTX instead of the 9800GTX nobody would be complaining.
 
Strife212 said:
8800GTX absoloutely murders the 1950Pro though
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Certainly... in Stalker I get 18fps average at the settings I'd like to use (i.e. higher doesn't really look better). From benchmarks an 8800GTX would average about 50fps without AA on those settings. I'd like MSAA, and I'd like 60fps minimum so about 80fps average. So I think it would need twice the power of an 8800GTX before the card is "wasted on the game".

I'm just deducing figures from benchmarks here, I could be 20% out, but I think it's fair to say that Crysis isn't the only game that taxes an 8800GTX.

[That's without getting into indirect lighting i.e. light bouncing off objects onto other objects, not just light sources directly illuminating objects. But that's such a killer they left it off the menus and you have to enable it with a console code.]
 
I already explained about the £100+, it was on here where it was £100+ more expensive when it was launched, which is the only places prices i could mention, or anyone can mention for that matter, you must go by OcUK's pricing, and only OcUK's pricing, or you get a suspension for breaking the rules, as competitor pricing is not allowed.:)
 
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It wasnt loadsa, it was on here for about 240 when the cheapest gts was around 170.

We're all ****** nvidia did nothing with the 9800gtx but I think you are a little over zealous on the subject.
 
Really want the new cards now.

I am making do with my 8800 GTS 320 MB at the moment - and to be fair, the little fella is actually not doing bad. Even plays UT3 @ 1920x1200 with everything max (other than AA obviously) at nice FPS (60 plus - far as I can tell).

Still, on games very intensive I need to turn down the settings. I was going to get a 8800 GT but truthfully think I will just save up and get the latest amd / Nvidia offering when they are released.
 
And I dont think its an issue at all that its gddr3 as long as it has a 512bit bus width.

The main thing for the next gen is whoever gets their part out first will have a ton of sales as people are gagging for an upgrade.
 
HighlandeR said:
Didnt consider it that way, if Nvidia just launched there 9800GTX/GX2 and replace it in 10-13 weeks time....

That dont make sense lol

But then again ATI been doing the samething for quite a while:)

Besides wont take much effort to cross out the 8 and put a 9 in there or even a 5....
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Nvidia did it with the 7950GX2 i bought one on release only to be gutted when the 8800 series was released a few months later,seems to me they make these GX2 cards as a short stop gap between releases of new series cards
 
Just working out the release dates from ATIs side

3870XT = around Nov 07

3870X2 = around Jan 08

May-June 6 months after and next ATI card if they go by 3870XT release or even just about X2 release.

Sounds about right, nvidia will proberly bring out there boosted/tweeked card sametime to recapture the speed crown regardless.

Am tempted to just get an 3870XT and hold off for another 1-2 months time.
 
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