Georgian drone shot down by Russia??

Why would it be an R-60? They're usually self-defence missiles on attack craft like the Hind or SU-25...can't see why they'd still be used on MiGs.

It won't be an R-60, that's been phased out of service with the Russian airforce for quite a while. The R-73 (Archer) was made to replace the R-60 for use on pretty much everything.
 
Also occurs to me that it's odd they actually caught it on camera at all. There's a lot of sky out there and fighter jets are fast, not to mention they can employ beyond visual range weapons also.
The Georgian controller would've seen it coming in on their radar, the operator would've consequently panned the camera around for a look when it was in visual range. As to why the Mig got so close - there is no way of telling what the UAV is until within visual range - would the Russians want to shoot down a puddle jumper with civilians in?
Why would it be an R-60? They're usually self-defence missiles on attack craft like the Hind or SU-25...can't see why they'd still be used on MiGs.
The missile would most likely be an AA-11 IR Seeking Missile.

With regards to the 'use guns' issue that everyone is referring to, guns are
a)Not particuarly accurate
b)If you do miss the lead goes somewhere
c)Jets don't carry much ammunition => miss and it's a waste of money and you end up needing to use a missile anyway.
 
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The missile would most likely be an AA-11

Would make sense since the Archer is a dogfight missile...integrated with a helmet-mounted sight for side-on shots.

Which is part of Georgia.

Putin's oligarch cronies are supposed to have invested heavily in Abkhazia.

Yeah, its status is under dispute though, which would explain this scrap. It already operates fairly independently of the rest of Georgia.
 
The Georgian controller would've seen it coming in on their radar, the operator would've consequently panned the camera around for a look when it was in visual range. As to why the Mig got so close - there is no way of telling what the UAV is until within visual range - would the Russians want to shoot down a puddle jumper with civilians in?

Never stopped them in the past...
 
First the Russians said they'd shot down a Georgian drone; now the Georgians have said that the Russians shot down a Georgian drone. Thus, it has been confirmed that the Russians shot down a Georgian drone.

Anyone still want to call "fake", or are we all done here?
 
Also occurs to me that it's odd they actually caught it on camera at all. There's a lot of sky out there and fighter jets are fast, not to mention they can employ beyond visual range weapons also.

In this video the jet flies straight into field of view and launches a very short range missile at it. At that kind of range it would be easier/cheaper to use cannons I'm sure.

First, modern military aircraft can move pretty slowly when required, as well as very quickly. At airshows many can hold formation with a prop-driver aircraft, and if you look at the video, the Mig has a high angle of attack which indicates slow speed. The camera's looking down, and we're looking straight down the Mig's nose when it fires. As someone else mentioned, it's also unlikely the aircraft approached unnoticed. The Georgians and Russians aren't good friends these days, and their border airspace will be heavily monitored.

Second, that UAV clearly has a good zoom lens (why else would it be up there? :-) which adds foreshortening effects to the footage.

The missile's in flight for what, 3-4 seconds? The R-73 (seems like a safe bet) flies at up to Mach 2.5, but even if it only averaged about Mach 1 on that flight (allowing for acceleration, climb, manoeuvring, and relatively low level use) that puts the aircraft at well over 1km away... unless my maths is even worse than I suspect.

I see nothing dodgy about that footage at all. I just wish all similar military aircraft encounters ended that way, with no loss of life. Then I wouldn't have to feel uncomfortable about being so impressed by them and their capabilities.


Anyway, UAVs are spy-planes whichever side of the border they're flying on at the time. That makes them fair game if you ask me.

Andrew McP
 
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