It is happening. The labour train is rolling

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This ****ed off reporter sums it up almost perfectly.

WHY bother much with voters? Kevin Rudd now takes his cues from a hand-picked elite.

Last weekend 1000 of our "best and brightest" - as chosen by the Prime Minister and his mates - ended their two-day "ideas summit" by handing Rudd his policies.

This may have surprised you since it is only five months ago that you voted in as Prime Minister a man who'd said he already "had a plan for the future".

Well, scratch that. The voters last year let Rudd down by giving him just 52.7 per cent backing for a platform he'd had to make mild and unscary to win over the mugs.

So he last weekend got himself what he really wanted: 99 per cent support from his newest best friends for a much richer plan.

These friends are well-connected people you never voted for, but they have what Rudd craves - star appeal, and the full spectrum of fashionable thought from A to B, as in (Phillip) Adams to (Cate) Blanchett.

Yes, they are largely Leftists from our cultural elite, some with such an inflated sense of their worth that they claimed to be at Parliament House to represent you, dear voter, without ever having bothered to ask if you agreed.

Not surprisingly, these are also people who've turned out to have an agenda very different to the one you thought you gave Rudd last November.

For instance, I don't recall Rudd at the last election talking about a vote on a republic within two years, or a bill of rights giving judges more say over politicians, or a whole new tax system including who knows what new tax, or 20 new government bureaucracies, eating your money by the billions.

Labor dreams they may have been, but Rudd kept mum on them.

Likewise, I'm sure he never mentioned before the election that he'd pinch 1 per cent of the spending of every government department from Defence to Veterans' Affairs and spend it on friendly artists instead, or that he'd force up the price of new houses by making every one "carbon neutral".

I also don't remember Rudd promising a treaty with Aborigines, a ban on traditional coal-fired power stations, or a huge new health agency with the power to force bosses to have you "include 30 minutes of physical activity" in your working day.

I'm sure I'd have remembered that last bit, or any Labor manifesto demanding that "in classrooms across Australia, children . . . be encouraged to grow something real". I've got a memory for jokes like these.

Yet all of these policies, and more of this Government-Knows-Best kind, turned up in the document solemnly handed to Rudd on Sunday at the end of a summit that was not just ludicrous (of which more below) but sinister.

Gee, what would voters like you have said about such stuff before the election, when you still had a say and Rudd was desperate to reassure you he was a "conservative"?

But back then Rudd was keen to pretend he was just a younger John Howard, just as nerdily safe but even tougher on the pennies, roaring: "This reckless spending must stop!"

So tough was he then that he promised you big tax cuts, with just three tax brackets instead of four.

You believed all that, didn't you?

More fool you. The day after last weekend's summit, Rudd said he wouldn't give a time for making good his election promise to cut the tax scales - the second stage of his tax cuts. "Economic circumstances" were holding him back. And now he seems keener instead on the summit idea of a "root-and-branch" tax reform.

I'm not surprised. As it turns out, Rudd might need that tax-cut money for the new Big Government agenda given to him by his Chosen People.

A protest just in! Rudd insists, hang on, he will stick by his election promises, and that all his ideas summit produced were, well, ideas - not official Labor policies at all. He's still free to pick and choose.

But that's not how it's turning out - nor how it was intended, I suspect. Already summiteers are claiming that they, in fact, are the authentic voice of Australia, and Rudd will be judged most by how he delivers on their agenda. Not yours.

Here, for instance, is one of the summit's 21 co-chairs, World Vision boss Tim Costello: "Rather than certain groups, powerful groups, setting the agenda, the direction, it's actually throwing it over to us."

"Us", to explain, are Rudd's 1000 summiteers - many of whom seem to have got the notion that being flattered by Rudd as the "best and brightest" made them representatives of the less-bright rest. Made them real politicians, only smarter. Hear it from the delegate who told the summit how glad she was that "Australians" were finally in Parliament House - as if the politicians we'd chosen were aliens.

Hear it from former ABC staffer Maxine McKew, now a Labor politician, who told the unelected summiteers that the Parliament she wanted to see in 2020 would look "much like the people in this room".

Hear it especially from Sam Mostyn, a former Labor aparatchik and now insurance PR, who instructed her session on global warming: "We do represent the entire community."

No you don't, sister. Not one Australian voted for you. Indeed, you barely represent even yourself.

I say that because every sign is that the summiteers were pulled together to give Rudd exactly the mandate voters never got around to giving him - a mandate for what Labor wanted to really do, but was too afraid to ask.

First step in this con was to select a crowd that would agree to any scheme involving Big Government, global warming alarmism and the rest.

And so of the 1000 delegates, an astonishing 118 came from a single Left-wing activist group, GetUp, whose former spokesman is now Rudd's press secretary. Dozens of serving and former Labor politicians were also dragged in, from Bob Carr and Barry Jones to John "No Water" Thwaites and even Joan Kirner.

Naturally, heads of the biggest green groups were drafted, such as WWF's Greg Bourne and the Australian Conservation Foundation's Ian Lowe, as were a whole glacier of professional global warming alarmists, from Tanya Ha to Tim Flannery. They were joined by a dozen past or present ABC staff, including David Marr, Geraldine Doogue and Jeff McMullin, and a generation of "stolen generations" propagandists such as Robert Manne, Lowitja O'Donoghue and Pat Dodson.

It worked. Of 100 summiteers asked to discuss climate change, for instance, not one was an identifiable sceptic. Of the 100 brought in to discuss the arts, none protested against the summit's demand for an explosion in government grants in exchange for an absurd promise to "double cultural output by 2020". This lot even called for artists to be put into factories around the nation to teach the yokels "sense-making".

Most significantly, of the 100 brought in to discuss the republic, only one - Liberal senator and token conservative George Brandis - was against. Just one out of 100 against the republic?

What are the odds, when even the summit's briefing papers admitted public backing for a republic has for years been under 50 per cent?

To get a 99 per cent result at the summit when the public support is half that takes rigging of the kind Robert Mugabe is arranging in Zimbabwe.

Yet hear Rudd crow that this was in some way the genuine voice of the people: "I think what the summit was saying loud and clear was that there is a big groundswell of support for a republic in Australia."

No, Prime Minister. That was no "groundswell" you heard from the stage on Sunday. That was just the sound of your friends, courtiers and carpet-baggers - all chosen by your team - clapping wildly.

And they were clapping hard not just for your republic of the elites, but for the power you're giving them right now over the millions of voters who never got a say in your farce of a summit.


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23583419-5000117,00.html

And this one

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583375-31478,00.html


The one thing that ive been Amused at greatly in the last few months is the Navys response to funding cuts.

It wants a third 26,000-tonne amphibious transport ship equipped with vertical-takeoff jet fighters, a fourth $2 billion air warfare destroyer to defend the big ships and submarine-launched cruise missiles that could strike targets thousands of kilometres away.

The list comes as the Navy can barely find enough technically qualified sailors to crew its existing fleet.

It coincides with a Rudd Government bid to save $1 billion a year in defence costs.

Insiders say the Government is unimpressed by the Navy's push for more firepower at a time of savage spending cuts. "The Navy is out of control," a source said.

It is believed the wish list was the final straw in the tense relationship between the Government and Navy chief Vice Admiral Russ Shalders, who will be replaced in July by Rear Admiral Russ Crane.

Vice Admiral Shalders last year pushed for an expensive US-designed destroyer, but lost out to a cheaper Spanish option.

Taxpayers will spend more than $11 billion to provide the Navy with the two 26,000-tonne amphibious ships and three air-warfare destroyers equipped with 48 vertical launch missile cells. The two amphibious ships, known as landing helicopter docks, are capable of carrying more than 1000 fully equipped troops and heavy vehicles such as tanks and armoured trucks.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23426308-662,00.html
I love that the Navy did that:p


I just wish the labour govenment would go get ****** before the **** up even more then they already have.:(
 
I take it you know more about politics than they do and know whats best for the country better than them?

If so, then stand as a parliamentry candidate. It's a long process but if you've got the level of knowledge to have proper understanding of the economical and political reasoning behind governmental decisions and why they are wrong, then you'll make it.
 
[TW]Fox;11550128 said:
I take it you know more about politics than they do and know whats best for the country better than them?

If so, then stand as a parliamentry candidate. It's a long process but if you've got the level of knowledge to have proper understanding of the economical and political reasoning behind governmental decisions and why they are wrong, then you'll make it.

You do understand that the 2020 summit wasnt a group polititions saying how to run a country dont you?

It was people with poo loads of money, Actors, Singers, ban petrol greeny ****s, biased ****s and people that just have never been into politics at all.
Some of the people that had put out some ideas were even cut out of the conversation and wasnt recorded in the final report from what the reports are saying. These were people fighting to help child abuse and they went unheard.

A **** load of what a lot of these people want is something you hate with a passion and is to do with Global warming.
 
I feel for you Zip, I really do, however like the British, you have very little option other than to just stick it out.

Hopefully it won't take more than ten years though.
 
Looks like the Aussie's now have their own Tony Blair preparing to @#$% up their country in the way Blair did ours?

The labour party down here has been known to **** it up.

The last 2 or 3 terms while John Howard was in was great for the country. He got one of the main debts paid off, he got a big improvement and funding to the defence, he didnt let a door open for the Aboriginals to claim any more benefits, and he brought down interest rates down from about 17% to about 4 or 5%.

Now labours in Government they are changing almost every thing hes done and trying to do it there way.
Interest rates have shot up, Aboriginals are claiming more benefits, they are tightening up on Green house policys which effects the huge mine and coal industry here.
And just about anywhere in the World Rudd goes, he causes some sort of controversy some how by ****ing up.

Yet there seems to be so many people that still like him:confused:

Its gonna be a long 4 years:(
 
If Labour get there way we wont be a commonwealth country anymore:(
They are pushing for a republic very hard

Hopefully the Citizens see sense and vote no to republic when the time comes.
 
[TW]Fox;11550128 said:
I take it you know more about politics than they do and know whats best for the country better than them?

If so, then stand as a parliamentry candidate. It's a long process but if you've got the level of knowledge to have proper understanding of the economical and political reasoning behind governmental decisions and why they are wrong, then you'll make it.

if I ran the country, there would be no country in a matter of weeks because I have bugger all understanding of how to do it. Its not just one person though is it, it is a selected few and thousands of advisors. Still i would ruin whatever might be good about the country in no time even with the best will and meaning in the world.
 
If Labour get there way we wont be a commonwealth country anymore:(
They are pushing for a republic very hard

Hopefully the Citizens see sense and vote no to republic when the time comes.

that would be appauling if we were a republic, its a massive part of our heritage =/ jesus..
 
Looks like the Aussie's now have their own Tony Blair preparing to @#$% up their country in the way Blair did ours?

Hardly. I am not fan of Rudd; I didn't vote for him, and I would have preferred another term of Howard. But Rudd is no Blair; he's far too left wing for that. And the state of the nation is nothing like the way Zip is painting it (or his two Murdoch news sources, for that matter).

Interest rates have shot up as a result of market forces; nothing to do with the government. Aboriginals aren't claiming any more benefits than they were before Rudd came into office (can anyone give me a list of extra benefits they are now allegedly claiming? no, I didn't think so!), while the mining/coal industries are booming and won't be affected by any of Labour's immediate green legislation, since it's currently focused on recycling and the eradication of plastic shopping bags.

I haven't looked at the 2020 summit in detail, but I'm aware that some of the delegates have been sidelined. Hardly surprising; if it was Howard we'd have exactly the same thing, but with different people being sidelined. It's all about lobby politics these days.

Zip says:

Zip said:
And just about anywhere in the World Rudd goes, he causes some sort of controversy some how by ****ing up.

Can you give me six examples, Zip? I honestly can't think of any myself. How many places in the world has Rudd actually been, and how did he "**** up" when he arrived?

Zip said:
If Labour get there way we wont be a commonwealth country anymore:(

Mate, that is absolute nonsense. There is no rule which says you can't remain in the Commonwealth as a republic. Have a look at the list of Commonwealth nations, and you'll find plenty of republics. I counted half a dozen before I got bored.

peetee said:
that would be appauling if we were a republic, its a massive part of our heritage =/ jesus..

It would be great if we were a republic; we could finally start living in the present, instead of the past. According to a recent poll, 60% of Australians want a republic. If that's what the people want, that's what they deserve to get. This is called "democracy", and it's a good thing.
 
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ooh mistake on my part, Im from the UK, didnt spot you were the Aus poster :) fair doos if you guys want a republic, i see one of our problems in the UK as the loss of identity, we bend over backwards and accomodate for other cultures and ours has disappeared incase we offend anyone, in certain places theres an influx in foreign nationals and they dont intergrate into society, they are more like seperate societys.
 
ooh mistake on my part, Im from the UK, didnt spot you were the Aus poster :) fair doos if you guys want a republic, i see one of our problems in the UK as the loss of identity, we bend over backwards and accomodate for other cultures and ours has disappeared incase we offend anyone, in certain places theres an influx in foreign nationals and they dont intergrate into society, they are more like seperate societys.

The thing about Australia is that she's been a multicultural nation for most of her history. In the early days, 40% of Australia's population were convicts; now only 22% of Australians have convict ancestry, while 25% of Australians were born overseas. (25%! That's a hell of a lot more than the UK). So the views of Australians are not what they used to be, because Australians aren't who they used to be. It's time for the preferences of modern Australia to prevail.

We can change from a parliamentary democracy/constitutional monarchy to a republic with a minimum of fuss; it would even give us a chance to cut out some unnecessary positions, like the Governor General and the state governors. That's a bit of money saved right there.

I used to be a very strong pro-monarchist, but after spending more than 4 years in the UK my views have changed; I now want Australia to be a republic.

Our current arrangement makes no sense at all: we have a foreign, unelected head of state who's not even Australian and lives in a foreign country; we have a Governor General whose role is largely irrelevant and whose practical contribution to the nation is negligible; our political system prevents any Australian citizen from becoming head of state in his own country (!!) and our flag represents a colonial past, not an independent present and future.

I have a great deal of respect for the royal family (well, most of them) and for Britain too, but it's time we stepped out of her shadow and forged our own, truly independent identity.

How many Brits here would be happy for the UK to be ruled by a foreign, unelected head of state who resided overseas and only visited this country once every couple of years? Does that sound like a sensible system to you? Because it sure sounds like **** to me.
 
I didnt actually realise our royal family had much power of you, they certainly dont have all that much power here, they have become more like celebritys, its something we should be proud of, as britain has a rich history, but it annoys me a bit when you hear about just how rich the royal family are and you wish that maybe some of the money they make would go towards bennefiting our nation.
Maybes thats just my uneducated opinion but as far as im aware they dont really give too much now, theres charitys etc theyv set up, but they are still incredibly minted.
 
[TW]Fox;11550128 said:
I take it you know more about politics than they do and know whats best for the country better than them?

Wow! That comes across as slightly harsh and aggressive to a newbie such as myself. :confused:

Forgive me if it wasn't meant that way, but do you cling to the opinion that politicians only have the good of the people to heart? Or that they are all eminently qualified, beyond question and doubt, to make sweeping decisions that are always of benefit to the country?

Does your comment also extend to one's right to having an opinion? :confused: I.e. if you are not a politician, how can you comment on areas of which you have no, or limited, understanding?
 
I didnt actually realise our royal family had much power of you, they certainly dont have all that much power here, they have become more like celebritys, its something we should be proud of, as britain has a rich history, but it annoys me a bit when you hear about just how rich the royal family are and you wish that maybe some of the money they make would go towards bennefiting our nation.
Maybes thats just my uneducated opinion but as far as im aware they dont really give too much now, theres charitys etc theyv set up, but they are still incredibly minted.

Actually, the Queen has more power over the UK than she does over Australia. She is head of state for both nations, but in the UK her permission is required before legislation can become law, while in Australia, legislation is simply approved by both houses of Parliament (the House of Representatives and the Senate) without reference to the Queen. So although her role is more symbolic than practical, she still retains some executive control.

The royals pay taxes these days, so I'm not too bothered about how much money they have, because they employ a lot of people and support a lot of charities. I have more respect for them than for 90% of the so-called "celebrities" who feature in the daily tabloids.
 
I knew she had power but she cant just do as she pleases was more the thing i was getting, I know they pay taxes but jesusss they aint half worth a lot, and theyv not exactly gone and earnt it all themselves! I acknowledge the fact they do employ a lot of people, I also acknowledge that there is a lot of money generated by them as far as tourism etc goes.
 
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