Hitler dolls comming soon!

I have studied history probably more than all of you put together and I would like to correct some inaccuracies.

Really?

First of all the Führer was evidently less evil than Stalin who gets little attention nowadays even though he has done probably the worst things ever. Back in 30' and 40' you could live comparetively free of fear in Nazi Germany as long as you didnt oppose the state...

Unless you were a Jew, Gypsy, disabled or later on homosexual.

The bolsheviks have done things I wouldn't dare to say in a public forum and yet why all the attention is driven to the Germans?

With your extensive knowledge of history you seem to have failed to grasp the fact that the attention in on the Germans because 1)They lost. 2) We were fighting them and not the Soviets.

Not that the Germans are inoccent but I do sense many ignorant people, everywhere, who they will just critisize the Germans because thats what "they are taught to do" and rarely because of their own investigations of history.

While I wouldn't really criticise the Germans I would certainly criticise the Nazi party and that is because of what they did, not because of some vague sort of conditioning.

Many German friends of mine are irritated of how often people bring up A.Hitler everytime Germany is mentioned.

And yet it is the Germans that have laws against the Nazi party and symbols and have had massive problems with the guilt of WW2. Thankfully they are starting to get over it.

Also it is evident by some of the posts here that many of you simply believe things "you have heard" and immediately assumed that *it is said often therefore it must be true*. One example of a fallacy is the 6 million figure of the Jews which is a hoax.

Odd, the only time I have seen the 6m figure being referred to as a hoax is when someone has an agenda. Virtually all historians agree on figures somewhere in the region of 5-6m for the Jews.


Most legitimate books(none was from nazis) I have read including russian books so that i can have broad spectrum of perspectives, state clearly that the number was around 1million and logically 1mill is a lot more reasonable and believable than 6mill???? That wasn't even the population of Jews in Europe at the time according to official figures(not nazi figures).

90% of the 3m polish jews were said to have been killed. That's almost half already.

Prominent writer Laurance Rees in his book "Auschwitz" endorsed by the BBC gives a figure of 1.1million clearly putting into question the whole 6mill story. Is the writer a holoucast denial? should he put into prison? Why everyone who asks questions is labeled a holocaust denial?

I would reread your sources. The figure of 1.1m was for the number killed in Auschwitz. With the other camps (Treblinka, Belzec, Majdanek, Chelmno, Sobibor and Maly Trostinets) you get closer to 3.8m. And those are the ones killed in the death camps. You then have those just executed and who died in Ghettos.

On top of that you have the 2-3m Soviet POWs that died, And another 2-3m others (Ethnic Poles, Slavs, Roma, Disabled, Homosexual, Jehova's Witnesses).

The sad thing is that all of this was meticulously documented and yet still many people seek to deny it or play it down. Normally with a political agenda.

The fact that Stalin killed more doesn't really take away from Hitler being an evil SOB.
 
Is this a competition about who knows most about WWII? On the strength of my small library of 200 books focusing solely on WWII can I put myself forward?

With regards to the 'who was the biggest nutter' debate I vote for Stalin as he was responsible for the deaths of over 20 million of his own people. The Victor writes the history books and Stalin was quite good at changing the facts when it suited him. Had it not been for British and American aid in 1941 and 1942 Germany may well have beaten Russia (and if that other idiot had kept his nose out of his Generals business it may not have mattered) but Stalin chose not to acknowledge this and claimed Russia won it alone.

The perfect scenario would have been if Germany had narrowly beaten Russia and then British and French troops had beaten a weary Germany. That way there would have been no Cold War, no Soviet Block, a free Eastern Europe and no idiot Yanks going on about how they won WWI, WWII and every war thereafter (ssh, don't mention Vietnam being a defeat as they see it as a draw). :D

Now let's focus on the dollies again, that was more fun.

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One fighter plane could have stopped it, why do you think they didn't just bomb Tokyo?

AFAIK Tokyo had already been firebombed too hell and back and there wasnt all that much left of it anyway.

Japan was being firebombed City after city and loosing 100,000 people most nights they got bombed.

The nuke was just to Destroy some targets the US didnt like and to force them to Surrender.


Tokyo May 26, 1945
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Some Citys had even had 99% destruction caused by the fire bombing.
 
The perfect scenario would have been if Germany had narrowly beaten Russia and then British and French troops had beaten a weary Germany. That way there would have been no Cold War, no Soviet Block, a free Eastern Europe and no idiot Yanks going on about how they won WWI, WWII and every war thereafter (ssh, don't mention Vietnam being a defeat as they see it as a draw). :D

The idea was there to attack Russia after the defeat of Germany, the allies with the remainder of the German Army which did have a large number of fully fuctioning units should push the soviet forces back out of Europe. It was an idea put around by a few commanders Patton being one and even Churchill. But as it turned out it never happened.
 
I bought one of these so called Hitler dolls, took its kecks off to check, and blow me if they haven't sent me a Goebbels by mistake.
 
You may have read more, but you're an idiot.

Believing that you know more than others is one thing but name calling quite another. The comment with which you end your post does show how trivial and inferior some people are, unable to hold a debate without showing who they really are, parasites I call them. Anyway....

Auschwitz was by far the biggest camp. 1.1mill died there and far less in other smaller camps. The official story that 6mill died in concentration camps and ghettos does remain far fetched by many. We should stick with the number of deaths caused from genocide not warfare. Let's not get confused.

Also Platypus there is a difference in reading an entire book or books than "googling" and reading paragraphs here and there;) just so you can reply to a post you read.
 
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Believing that you know more than others is one thing but name calling quite another. The comment with which you end your post does show how trivial and inferior some people, unable to hold a debate without showing who they really are, parasites I call them. Anyway....

Auschwitz was by far the biggest camp. 1.1mill died there and far less in other smaller camps. The official story that 6mill died in concentration camps and ghettos does remain far fetched by many. We should stick with the number of deaths caused from genocide not warfare. Let's not get confused.

Also Platypus there is a difference in reading an entire book or books than "googling" and reading paragraphs here and there;) just so you can reply to a post you read.

Is your period late, you seem a little tetchy :D.
 
Believing that you know more than others is one thing but name calling quite another. The comment with which you end your post does show how trivial and inferior some people are, unable to hold a debate without showing who they really are, parasites I call them. Anyway....

So you don't agree with name calling but end with name calling? There is a name for that too.

Auschwitz was by far the biggest camp. 1.1mill died there and far less in other smaller camps. The official story that 6mill died in concentration camps and ghettos does remain far fetched by many. We should stick with the number of deaths caused from genocide not warfare. Let's not get confused.

Auschwitz: 1.1m (some figures go as high as 1.4m)
Treblinka: 870,000
Belzec: 600,000
Majdanek: 360,000
Chelmno: 320,000
Sobibor: 250,000
Maly Trostinets: 65,000

This gives a total of 3,565,000 in the death camps alone. Already well above the 1m you said originally (which you then contradicted in the same post). Add to that those that died in the Ghettos, those that died in the German Labour camps, those that were just executed and didn't even get to camp. Even conservative estimates generally put the Jewish deaths at 5.1m with the rest of those persecuted and the murder of a couple of million Soviet POWs you have a pretty impressive death count...

Also Platypus there is a difference in reading an entire book or books than "googling" and reading paragraphs here and there;) just so you can reply to a post you read.

Have a read of your original post again. You first say that 1m is a more believeable number and then go on to say that 1.1m died in Auschwitz (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as the way you phrased it sounded like you were saying only 1.1m died in the death camps in total.)

As a matter of interest what are your personal politics? I wouldn't normally ask it is just when someone tries to downplay the holocaust it generally corellates to either certain political leanings or sadly some religious leanings.
 
As a matter of interest what are your personal politics? I wouldn't normally ask it is just when someone tries to downplay the holocaust it generally corellates to either certain political leanings or sadly some religious leanings.

Am a pagan and i believe in the laws of nature and things like Darwinism. It is clear in nature that the weak must succumb to the superior
 
Blessed is he who is not ashamed of me

Good, glad that's cleared up, now you need a visit to doctors if you keep hearing voices like that.

I know what it is now, selective dyslexia, you can only read a document or fact if it fits with your own personal view and perspective. So the blue filters over reading materials would be no use to you. Im afraid your condition is beyond hope.
 
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Am a pagan and i believe in the laws of nature and things like Darwinism. It is clear in nature that the weak must succumb to the superior

The Jews wernt weak:confused:

They were just rounded up by people with Weapons that they did not have.

You might not mean it like that but thats what it sounds like you were saying to me.
 
The Jews wernt weak:confused:

They were just rounded up by people with Weapons that they did not have.

You might not mean it like that but thats what it sounds like you were saying to me.

And a couple of hundred poorly armed ones kept the German army at bay for nearly a month in Warsaw.
 
Am a pagan and i believe in the laws of nature and things like Darwinism. It is clear in nature that the weak must succumb to the superior

And the reply to the rest of the post? You know the bits suggesting that even with your extensive knowledge of history you may indeed be talking rubbish in suggesting 6m is too high a number and that 1m is more accurate?

Not to mention that the majority of pagans I know generally don't go in for Might makes Right. Unless you follow one of the Germanic/Norse religions and are using Pagan in the classical sense rather than the more modern descriptor?
 
stalin exteminated more than hitler and he was on our side. are we guilty by assosation.the only thing that would stop me buying a doll is that it dosnt look like him.the victors write the history
 
stalin exteminated more than hitler and he was on our side. are we guilty by assosation.the only thing that would stop me buying a doll is that it dosnt look like him.the victors write the history

We all or most of us know that, anyhow I don't know if we could say anyone won in the end, the world is still not back to anything like normal since. The Germans lost in every sense but no one won they just lost less.
 
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