Knowing Rockstar, yes.
Another reason for censors to get all steamed up
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Knowing Rockstar, yes.
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This is almost painful. I think fini is making the facetious point that games don't cause violence (and for my money he is absolutely right in that) but it appears people are taking the argument entirely literally. It is just as logical to say that games prevent violence (if yon criminal had been playing GTA IV then they wouldn't be able to stab anyone) as it is to say that games cause violence - correlation (of playing violent games) does not equal causation (making people commit violence) and it never has.
If I'm misunderstanding fini's point then I'm sure he will correct me.
If I'm misunderstanding fini's point then I'm sure he will correct me.
lol, just lol.
At the end of the day, GTA is not the cause but it is, without a doubt, a catalist.
Kids get so pent up playing games, and now they play a lot more that they did 10 years ago = more frustrated kids.
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That's how I read it as well.
No no, i agree his point is true, but i dont see the point in saying something that is so literal because it isnt really in the right context and doesnt really have any relevance due to the fact that its a little more complicated than a single statistic.
Yes you'v provided a statistic, but to disagree with it I do not need one, to please you I will give you one though.
Number of men stabbed by a caucasian : 0
Number of men stabbed by a none-caucasian : 1
Get all the none whites out of england..
Number of men stabbed by a male wearing a hood : 1
Number of men stabbed by a male without a hood : 0
Hoods inspire street stabbings.
Number of men stabbed by a male wearing a hood : 1
Number of men stabbed by a female wearing a hood : 0
Hoods do not provoke woman into stabbings.
It wasnt a personal attack, I just didnt see the point in spouting something so literal because it loses its relevance, my above stats are along the same lines as yours in all fairness.
Yes you'v provided a statistic, but to disagree with it I do not need one, to please you I will give you one though.
Number of men stabbed by a caucasian : 0
Number of men stabbed by a none-caucasian : 1
Get all the none whites out of england..
Number of men stabbed by a male wearing a hood : 1
Number of men stabbed by a male without a hood : 0
Hoods inspire street stabbings.
Number of men stabbed by a male wearing a hood : 1
Number of men stabbed by a female wearing a hood : 0
Hoods do not provoke woman into stabbings.
It wasnt a personal attack, I just didnt see the point in spouting something so literal because it loses its relevance, my above stats are along the same lines as yours in all fairness.
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I wouldnt blame the game in this case but i still don't agree with the game
/student game developer
/student game developer
Who is blaming the game? Not the BBC.
peetee said:
much lols, he's nearly there - Fini's training to be a barrister, aren't you Fini? If you're going to argue with him Peetee, use your words carefully, like they're gold dust, otherwise he'll keep on picking holes in your seemingly weak argument. Go Fini
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you know in a few weeks or months someone somewhere will point this out as being a bad view of violence in games.
its bound to happen
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Well not too many suspects around then
That's exactly the point.
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o rly
Whilst I object to the point being called facetious (it is a truly important point) you are correct. The logic of the anti-video-game lobby is spurious and deserves to be highlighted. Games do not cause violence – neither do books and plays and concertos.smie-pro-waster said:
What if I told you there was something out to buy now that features warfare, murder, the occult, sex, corruption and which has a main protagonist who, by the end, is insane? Should it be banned? What I've just described is Shakespeare's Macbeth.
It is nonsensical to campaign to ban ‘murder simulator’ video games, whilst allowing the sale of books explaining in precise, exacting details how to commit acts of torture, how to pick locks and how to make explosives (the Anarchists’ Cookbook is only a quarter of the price of GTAIV). None of these books have age ratings, though their content is far more of an adult nature.
Why is the innocence of children yet again being exploited by the anti-games lobby? Are these simply tactics to pull upon our heartstrings so that the clear facts can be ignored? Neither the victim nor the perpetrator are children. They are both old enough to vote, drive, marry – even go to war. If video games really do create this frustration this, for want of a better word, blood-lust that you claim then why do these people not simply join the army? Indeed, if there are so many kids frustrated, driven close enough to crazyness that they would kill, as you would claim, then why has violent crime dropped so heavily in the last ten years ?bushmins said:
@peetee – I don’t know why all your examples are based around child pornography, racism and sexism, but if you choose for those to be your examples then so be it. Let me deal with the statistics you gave me for a second.
This is wrong – please see the British Crime Survey for real figurespeetee said:
Wrong again, see the BCS againpeetee said:
Once again you are wrong, see the BCS.peetee said:
Every single statistic I have given you is correct as far as we can check. Every statistic you have given is patently wrong. How can the fine folk of ocuk believe a word you say peetee?
I have never heard of a single person who has stabbed or murdered anyone whilst they were playing a video game. I have heard of many people murdered whilst clubbing, or on their way home from a football match. Video games are a vital source of entertainment that keeps people busy and keeps them from performing socially harmful acts. Just as museums, galleries, skate parks and youth centres are all vital tools in giving people things to do, so that they do not fall in to the traps that lead to crime, so are computer games. In trying to deny people access to these computer games anti-computer-game lobbyists are beginning a process that will ultimately end up with resentful, restless and squandered citizens who turn to the few things these lobbyists haven’t taken away from them – drugs and criminality.
The real indecency of all this is less obvious. For the anti-video-game lobby will be, right now, rubbing their hands with glee that this young man was stabbed. In days or weeks to come they will use this tragedy as political capital. They want gamers to kill gamers and children to go on rampages because it furthers their careers. Every time something like this happens they gain more air time and move closer to achieving their political goals. So this makes them happy – a youth stabbed. That is the real indecency here. The games industry don’t want people injured, they most certainly don’t want people dead – if we’re to be purely businesslike for a second, that’s a customer lost. The video game industry want their customers to live long and full lives, to have kids and pass the passion on – for it gets them more sales. Compare that with what makes the lobbyists happiest.
.... that has to be some serious sarcasm or I have just gone deaf from a massive woosh.
My wife is from Leyland, you berk.
Thats got absolutly nothing to do with what i said. Please if your going to quote and comment at least read the quote.
Thanks.
And incase you havnt noticed children are not old enough to vote, drive and i dread to see that day when i see a 7 year old shooting people.
EDIT: Infact after carefully reading your post, nothing in it relays what you quoted. Are you cutting/pasting crap coz you thought it was relevent?
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