Champions League Semi Final *Spoilers* 29/30 April
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Nokkon you're going to be having this arguement until Ronaldo literally puts in a great performance in a massive game.
He's played well in big games and like you say, unless he scores people say he's gone missing which isn't true but equally he is yet to put in a real match winning display in a major game.
Like most top attacking players, in the biggest games teams are usually very tight at the back and have special attention paid to them and that doesn't allow Ronaldo to play his usual game.
He's played well in big games and like you say, unless he scores people say he's gone missing which isn't true but equally he is yet to put in a real match winning display in a major game.
Like most top attacking players, in the biggest games teams are usually very tight at the back and have special attention paid to them and that doesn't allow Ronaldo to play his usual game.
Thats the difference between us though innit, Gerrard and Torres would most likely walk into our lineup, but thats it. I'd say a vast majority of our lineup would walk into yours, Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Scholes, Rio, Evra just to name 6 would walk into pretty much any team in the world.
I dont know any United fans who say Gerrard and Torres are bad players, they say they're over rated, lucky etc. sometimes but never bad players. I think Gerrard can be over rated sometimes, he goes through periods in seasons where he his absent for games on end but most players do that.
Anyway, nevermind that. I want Chelsea to win tomorrow night because even though I think we would have more chance of beatin you scouseys fair and square, the thought of you lot beatin us in the CL final is so unbearable I'd rather take the risk with Chelsea.
Having said that, humiliating you lot on the biggest stage in club football is a mighty tasty prospect, Benitez has never beaten us and I reckon we'd easily be favourites.
Really, Im fairly sure that your games are prioritised like our, its just not as noticable with your squad due to the size and strength in depth compared to ours.
Just because its the big teams doesnt mean its a big game.
Even brown scored against us.
He shys away from play sometimes when utd really need him to step up and do something magical, he doesnt seem to do it when utd are on the backfoot, thats my point. Im sure this will go as he matures but from watching him I see that as his only real flaw currently.
He didnt play bad today, but he was a shadow of his usual self, he also flopped with his crucial penalty in the first leg..and didnt score
didnt score against chelsea as you said.
Didnt score in the FA cup against pompey.. you went out as a result of losing that tie - big game.
I didnt watch the blackburn game.. did he play in that? because i know he wasnt on the scoresheet.
Theres a few at the start of the season obviously points dropped vs reading man city and pompey but if i remember correctly he was injured?
You said 38games in a season, so obviously just the league, well theres also cups too which matter a lot aswell, lets face that fact, not so much for utd due to financial muscle, liverpool need to prioritise champs league to an extent though, especially when we cant really chase in the league due to falling too far behind, lets remember rafa probably would have had the sack, and we bought masch due to the fact we had secured more champions league income by progressing.. anyway.. ronaldo didnt score against coventry
I always thought you were a Manc Dan?
Roma. 7-1. 2 Goals.
We're still having it a year after he has. He was also great in a game a couple of years ago against Arsenal where he bagged 2 as was he last year when we beat Liverpool 3-0 at Old Trafford.
Ronaldo usually does put in very good performances against the so called big sides. The difference is, people want to judge him on goals when his jobs a winger primarily and it's a role he plays more against the big sides.
I wouldn't say Mascherano, I'd have him on the bench. As you know, I'd take Reina.
From us I'd say Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic, Ronaldo and Rooney/Tevez would get in your starting line up.
Reina, Gerrard, Torres from your lot.
We'd end up debating over Carrick/Alonso and Hargreaves/Mascherano til we're blue in the face.
We won the title last season despite being panned for our strength in depth. We didn't have any last year.
Don't understand what you're getting at?peetee said:
Same Brown that's a potential Man of the Match against Barcelona and England right-back? You say it like a negative...peetee said:
How about Fulham last year when he scored by taking the ball from our own half when they were piling pressure on. We won the league from that goal as it turned the corner and was incredibly important.peetee said:
The greatest players in history have missed penalties. Jeez.peetee said:
He's a winger, not a goal scorer. People do seem to get the 2 confused as he's so good at it. He also only played ~25 minutes against Chelsea at the weekend.peetee said:
He's a winger, not a goal scorer. There were 10 other players in that match. We hit the woodwork and had shots cleared off the line. We also had a stonewaller turned down. Trying to pin it on Ronaldo who was absolutely battered in that game is ridiculous.peetee said:
He didn't score so it was a bad performance? Great way to judge a player... especially when you didn't even watch it? It's getting hard to take you seriously.peetee said:
Suspended for 'headbutting' a Portsmouth player.peetee said:
Because Liverpool haven't spent HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS on players...peetee said:
And that's whose fault? We all start on zero points.peetee said:
Ronaldo didn't play against Coventry. Our most senior player was John O'Shea.peetee said:lets remember rafa probably would have had the sack, and we bought masch due to the fact we had secured more champions league income by progressing.. anyway.. ronaldo didnt score against coventry
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Roma weren't half the side you were. He put in a big performance but not against a top side. He did play very well vs Arsenal though (i presume that's the 4-2 at Highbury game?) but that was prior to his emergence as a real top player. Not sure about the Liverpool game though, he missed quite a few chances and his only real contribution was the goal.
Like i said above, it will take a performance like he put in vs Roma but either against Arsenal, Chelsea, ourselves or one of the top European sides. Which he's yet to do. Again like i said above, even when top players just play well they are said to have gone missing because fans seem to expect them to score a couple of goals or take it past half the oppo's side etc every game.
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Not for the first time
Suprised it was Masch that converted you though, it's usually Torres, just ask Pigeon
it's you and your silver tongue.
oh and let's settle the debate once and for all. it's Carrick/Hargreaves.
it's you and your silver tongue.
oh and let's settle the debate once and for all. it's Gerrard, Masch and Alonso.
I agree
you had more than us!
Its probably because you were being compared to chelsea though.
I agree with your choices of who would walk into our starting line up, but thats because :
Ferdinand is an EXPENSIVE defender, and he is highly rated, evra is great, end of, whereas we have a fairly poor back line in urgent need of a shakeup.
Ronaldo walks into any team, tevez/rooney obviously get in because we'v currently only got torres who week in week out cuts the mustard upfront, a lot of our team is made up of good players, but they just aint world class.
Nokkon.. saying Lyon just makes you sound desperate..
He has scored against some big clubs, my point was that all too often he disappears when utd really need him, this will change when he gets older though and is forgivable.
Its not like Kaka never disappears, or Ronaldinho etc, Torres has been guilty of it on occasion too, all young extremely gifted players are to be honest.
Its probably because you were being compared to chelsea though.
I agree with your choices of who would walk into our starting line up, but thats because :
Ferdinand is an EXPENSIVE defender, and he is highly rated, evra is great, end of, whereas we have a fairly poor back line in urgent need of a shakeup.
Ronaldo walks into any team, tevez/rooney obviously get in because we'v currently only got torres who week in week out cuts the mustard upfront, a lot of our team is made up of good players, but they just aint world class.
Nokkon.. saying Lyon just makes you sound desperate..
He has scored against some big clubs, my point was that all too often he disappears when utd really need him, this will change when he gets older though and is forgivable.
Its not like Kaka never disappears, or Ronaldinho etc, Torres has been guilty of it on occasion too, all young extremely gifted players are to be honest.
I agree
don't start with the editing, i said in my post before it's settled now. there's no need for further debate or tring to con your players names into my quotes, just move onto your next field of attack and give us the old carragher better than vidic agger better than ferdinand skittle better than both, finnan better than neville and probably riise better than evra.
ooh and one for the youth lucas better than anderson and babel better than nani.
as i said i've settled the midfield debate once and for all but there's loads for you still to go at.