the fact that they may or may not pay taxes in their home country is utterly irrelavent, they are not IN their home country, why should they not pay to use our roads like we all have to.
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the fact that they may or may not pay taxes in their home country is utterly irrelavent, they are not IN their home country, why should they not pay to use our roads like we all have to.
so if you drive to say eastern europe from england, then you would be quite happy to pay road tax in france, belgium, germany, poland and any other countries you might happen to drive through?
what are you on?
they have a legal obligation to register the car in the UK if they are residents here for more than six months (unless they are students, in which case they are only temporary residents)
what are you on?
they have a legal obligation to register the car in the UK if they are residents here for more than six months (unless they are students, in which case they are only temporary residents)
It amazes me how many people post stupid comments, and then when proved wrong, still try to fight...
By your reconing then, my trip in the summer to go to the belgium GP and travel a bit round europe will take me though France, Germany, Belgium and possibly another 1 or 2... So I should ring up now and arange an MOT test and to pay tax at every border?
It is not a cheat. Its just a fact. Go take your car to America and drive around without paying their taxes then, your fully entitled to. They are not doing anything different to any rights you have by owning and running a UK based car opposed to a US one.
THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS ALSO COMPLETELY FAIR!!!! WE ALL HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS!!!!
(im out of this thread before i swear at someone)
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After 12 months all non UK registered vehicles must be registed with DVLA, will be issued "Q" plates, taxed, tested etc etc etc. The only way around this is if the car returns to its home country I believe for a minimum of 3 months.
The same is true of driving licences, a US driving license is only valid in the UK for 12 months before it must be replaced by a UK driving license, and yes to get a full uk driving license they must take our driving test.
EU, and EEA driving licenses are valid as until the age of 70, or 3 years if license holder is already passed 70, and must be renewed as UK licenses at that time.
European cars though still have to be registered with DVLA, and get UK plates after 12 months in the country. So any car with non UK plates that has been here for over a year is illegal anyway. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
Oh yeah, I could be wrong on this last point, but I believe its illegal for immigrants to sell their cars in the UK without registering them with DVLA first, even if its during the first 12 months.
no, sorry, it is not fair on the host countries tax payers having to subsidise freeloaders from other countries. Whether they pay taxes in their own country has absolutely nothing to do with this, like I said, they are not IN their own country, are you stupid?
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Weird thread.
Can't work out how it's possible that people are disagreeing TBH.
Can't work out how it's possible that people are disagreeing TBH.
Pfff I do hope you never get to power.
So what, if you go to another country you aren't either.
What freeloaders, one per 20,000 cars ?, do you really think it's going to make any difference on your precious little island, be thankful you don't have to pay tax for countries like Germany, they have to pay a lot more for people passing through than you.
Or do you never drive abroad ?
You don't pay road tax for the roads, you pay road tax so the gov has some extra gold in their coffers to spend on useless stuff. They spend far less on roads than you pay tax for it and pay fuel tax, Even one quarter of the fuel tax would be enough to pay for Britains roads.
Besides fuel tax which they pay will cover for far more than the road costs. They already pay for the roads by fuel tax. It's just that the greedy gov hasn't thought of any legal way to rip them off yet for extra gold in the coffers.
Besides fuel tax which they pay will cover for far more than the road costs. They already pay for the roads by fuel tax. It's just that the greedy gov hasn't thought of any legal way to rip them off yet for extra gold in the coffers.
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If you're visiting the UK and bring your car with you, then after a period of time it is given a UK registration+associated docs and is liable to abide by all of our rules and regs. If you take it back home before this period is reached then this doesn't apply.
It's the same story pretty much the world over, so where's the problem as I honestly don't see one?
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I'm aware that the theory is that after 6 months the car has to be transferred to uk registration. In reality though afaik nothing gets given, you have to apply for it, but many don't bother because you would be really unlucky to get nicked for it.
For an example of the absurd system, a friend in manchester has had an abandoned car on french plates outside his house for over a year but the council won't do anything about removing it, I assume because they don't have the power to.
For an example of the absurd system, a friend in manchester has had an abandoned car on french plates outside his house for over a year but the council won't do anything about removing it, I assume because they don't have the power to.
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But don't you think that an abandoned car is one thing, and someone driving around free of tax/regulations/laws is something quite different?
Odds are they'll contribute a whole load in fuel duty - proportional to the amount of driving they do.
Why go to the extent of implementing systems to collect vehicle duty from those in other countries, when it would most likely be offset anyway by our residents paying duty abroad? It'd be pretty much revenue neutral in terms of taxes collected, but involve huge capital expenditure to set up and ongoing cost and burden to operate.
It's just not worth it.
They could be diplomat vehicles, I have seen a couple in sheffield, one drove like a complete plank in a 2.0 tdi and I saw another parked in a pay and display bay on the street with no road tax and no ticket.
They can get away with anything really.