Cannabis reclassification

[V4NT0M]

I'd say that people who haven't tried drugs do not understand exactly what it is, no.

It can be described to you, as can sex. You may understand what happens in a numerical order of things for example, but there are things beyond the written word.

This is not a discussion on how drugs feel or how it feels to be on drugs, which is the only perceptive they would gain from taking them rather than observing or examining data.

I know it wasn't you who raised the original point, but seriously to think that one has to experience something directly before they can (and I'm not saying fully understand) make an informed decision about laws governing something is ludicrous.

I can imagine the scene now;
Mr brown: OK cabinet we need to examine the sentencing for murder cases, your homework for this week is to go out and murder someone, see how it feels then we can figure out what kind of sentence to hand out. See you next week.

 

[Hellsmk2]

I can imagine the scene now;
Mr brown: OK cabinet we need to examine the sentencing for murder cases, your homework for this week is to go out and murder someone, see how it feels then we can figure out what kind of sentence to hand out. See you next week.

Let's put this into perspective:

Experts: Hey Mr Brown, this should remain a class C as the evidence to suggest links to psychosis is fairly weak and unsubstantiated. It isn't as harmful as many drugs in the higher classes, nor as strong as some in its current class.

Mr Brown: Sorry guys, I know better. Scientific research is not as valid as my own personal opinion. Class B it is!

Also, please highlight one case where cannabis has been highlighted as the cause of death/ murder. Alcohol it is not. This is also where your poor analogy above falls down hard.

(I no longer smoke before someone claims I'm a pothead)

 

[Biohazard]

This is not a discussion on how drugs feel or how it feels to be on drugs, which is the only perceptive they would gain from taking them rather than observing or examining data.

I know it wasn't you who raised the original point, but seriously to think that one has to experience something directly before they can (and I'm not saying fully understand) make an informed decision about laws governing something is ludicrous.

Experience is a precursor to understanding? I think not.

You did not mention ability to the make legal descisions. I realise the other guy did, but I think it is still relevent tbh.

You merely said understanding, the rest you added just now. That is why my response was as such.

 

[Biohazard]

Also, please highlight one case where cannabis has been highlighted as the cause of death/ murder. Alcohol it is not.

I don't understand if your un ninja edit is for me, even if it isn't I still don't quite understand.

 

[Tefal]

You stop smoking and have to endure the withdrawals of addiction and with that come psychological pressure on the mind.

If you're an alcoholic then one of the withdrawal symptoms can be death

 

[Hellsmk2]

I don't understand if your un ninja edit is for me, even if it isn't I still don't quite understand.

Your analogy was poor. That's about it really. There isn't much else to understand.

 

[Tefal]

I said see the effect, not feel it. And I have tried it.

You still have to get someone to try it under controlled conditions though.

 

[V4NT0M]

Also, please highlight one case where cannabis has been highlighted as the cause of death/ murder. Alcohol it is not. This is also where your poor analogy above falls down hard.

I think we have crossed wires, I'm not saying whether the decision is right or wrong, I don't really care, I'm just commenting on the "They should do some drugs then I'll listen" idea.

You did not mention ability to the make legal descisions. I realise the other guy did, but I think it is still relevent tbh.

You merely said understanding, the rest you added just now. That is why my response was as such.

I see what you mean, maybe I should have elaborated more, but I like one liners

I'm not a fan of the whole "don't knock it until you've tried it" mentality as it implies that as a society we have learned nothing... I won't get into further debate though as the view I have of humanity of a whole isn't a nice one

 

[Gaygle]

The ones involved in wanting to reclassify it should sit back, skin up and smoke some.

Then would I be willing to listen to their decisions based on their findings and not what some overpaid half intelligent wannabe Politician thinks based on 'Scientifical Research'.

Right, i don't want it reclassified, but this is a poor argument all the same.

So, if Gordon had a spliff, he'd be more equipped to deal with the situation than if he would listen to years of scientific research (which he isn't actually doing anyway )?

So for me to want heroin remaining illegal, i'd have to had taken some for my arguments to be valid? hmmm

 

[dunno]

Bad local results + tabliods don't like weed + election = crap move

Hope this bites them in the arse.


Legalising weed, prostitution and saying "Actually, Speed doesn’t kill" is political suicide.

I'd vote for em!!!

 

[Biohazard]

Your analogy was poor. That's about it really. There isn't much else to understand.

You sure it was my analogy not Skyfall's?



Or was it me talking about sex?

 

[Biohazard]

I'm not a fan of the whole "don't knock it until you've tried it" mentality as it implies that as a society we have learned nothing... I won't get into further debate though as the view I have of humanity of a whole isn't a nice one

I never said that, Wiggins did.

 

[Meridian]

Legalising weed, prostitution and saying "Actually, Speed doesn’t kill" is political suicide.

Prostitution is legal. Cannabis will never be legalised because Britain is a signatory to the UN Convention on Narcotic Substances (contrary to popular opinion, cannabis is not legal in the Netherlands either).


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[Crossy]

Pffft, id still smoke it.

 

[C64]

This is the reason why it will never be made legal !
It's really quite easy and not that expensive or complicated to grow you're own whereas making palatable alcohol is quite complicated and expensive.Thus loss of tax on it.
This and a combination of old fashioned fuddy duddys still in charge.
This reclassification is simply as stated above a move to win back favor from the voters all labour is about is doing things to ensure they get reelected everything else is secondary.

 

[Muffin`]

Prostitution is legal.

What is it that is illegal? 'Kerb Crawling' or paying for it?

Cannabis will never be legalised because Britain is a signatory to the UN Convention on Narcotic Substances (contrary to popular opinion, cannabis is not legal in the Netherlands either).

Is that with a law change in the Netherlands recently or has it always been the way?

 

[AGD]

I just get it. They ask the expert advisers for advice and when they get it just ignore it! Why ask if you're not going to listen anyway?

 

[V4NT0M]

I never said that, Wiggins did.

I know

 

[Meridian]

What is it that is illegal? 'Kerb Crawling' or paying for it?

The act of paying for sex is legal, as is being paid for sex. But everything else associated is against the law: pimping, soliciting, kerb-crawling (although the law is a little fuzzy there fnah fnah), living off immoral earnings (applies to pimps/madams, but not the prostitute) etc

Is that with a law change in the Netherlands recently or has it always been the way?

Cannabis in the Netherlands was de-criminalised some while ago, and still is. But many people can't tell the difference between de-criminalised and legalised. It has not been legal in the Netherlands for more than forty years. The current law just means that the police won't usually prosecute for simple possession, but they can if they want to.



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[Sic]

You are missing my point I think.

You sit here going oww yes wow those are bad I don't like the sound of that. But you are a nice good living little OcUKer. So I would expect that.

Someone who has been in and out of institutes most of their adult life, drawn into that walk of life are not scared of the jail terms after release.

Certainly they do not want to walk back in of their own accord, but accept that with the business/criminality there is always the chance of punishment.

Mixed in with the fact that most people get out early, its generally viewed as easy and thats if you even get caught in the first place.

I can quite easily see how people do not fear the jail.

I've never been given a custodial sentence. I 've helped gain a couple though!

I wasn't missing your point, I was just suggesting that there might be different types of people who indulge in recreational drug use. I may be a "nice good living little OcUKer" or whatever, but that doesn't mean that the fact that I could face 5 years doing something that doesn't harm anyone (and if it harms me, that's my problem). I don't do anything else that could be considered illegal (though my porn collection could now be a bone of contention - no pun intended!) so I personally think the sentence would be irrelevant to me, too. That doesn't change the fact that it's a lot more daunting than a probable slap on the wrist and a confiscation!