Why the Xbox 360 will win the console war.

[Dolph]

I thought the 360 was actually doing quite well, and certainly upthere with the Wii in terms of overall game revenue? They have to be close, if you approximate the 360 having twice the attach rate, with half the consoles...

Trying to find reliable attach rates seems to be difficult. The rates for the 360 seem to vary between 5 and 7, for the wii between 5.5 and 8, with the PS3 around 3-4. It gets even harder if you stop looking at company statements, as there's a lot of debate about whose sampling is flawed.

I certainly wouldn't say the 360 has twice the attach rate of the Wii though. And don't forget that Nintendo have made a profit on every Wii sold, whereas MS were selling them at a loss for a good while. I doubt the revenue is that comparable.

But the Wii is the standout console this generation, for whatever reasons we care not to understand, it's flying off shelves and can only be described as as a run away success...

Which is the bottom line, the wii attracts attention like neither of the other consoles from people who normally couldn't care less, and that's where Nintendo are cleaning up. Instead of just fighting over the core market, they broadened it, and that's the big difference.

 

[msmalls74]

Games companies are the worst for giving figures, "We "shipped" 24518645835656 consoles therefore we win" but most of these are sitting in warehouses (as the ps3 consoles were after the first ps3 sales announcement)

*edit* but nexgenwars really can't be trusted either, there is no way the 360 is only 2 million consoles behind wii

Think your wrong mate, im not talking PR bull from each consoles PR dept, I mean the actual financial reports given to share holders/ announced to stock markets have to be as accurate as possible as these are taking into account when buying/selling shares. Any "lies" would mean the company acting in a fraudulent manner, causing fines/ sackings etc etc, of course the results will contain spin but the cold hard figures have to be right as far as they can prove. These numbers in Sony case are now shipped to consumer, with the consumer meaning shops web sites etc, not actually us. They used to use shipped as a number, meaning ones left manufacturer and waiting to be distributed. Im not sure what the other two companies use, but i think they do the same. The latest figures (end of March 08) from Nintendo and Microsoft are that the Wii has sold 24.45 WW to date and the 360 has sold 19 million WW to date, in comparison the PS3 is around the 11.5-12.5 million WW to date, but this will not be confirmed till the 14th May.

 

[Wyrdo]

Attach rates would tend to say different, as the Wii is also selling more games per console than either of the others.

I thought the Wii had terrible attach rates, or has this changed recently?

 

[msmalls74]

I thought the Wii had terrible attach rates, or has this changed recently?

The only attach rates i have seen reported are for the US only,
* Xbox 360: software sales ratio: 7.5
* Wii: software sales ratio: 5.3
* PS3: software sales ratio: 4.6

This is just worked out on how many games/ how many consoles sold, so for example the 360 has had an extra years worth of sales for both games and consoles. The Wii was about 3.5 a few months ago but games such as Smash brothers and Mario Galaxy have inflated this, also these numbers include Wii play which is the biggest selling game for the wii (cant think why?)

 

[Joebob]

Depends on what way you look at it, I don't consider the Wii to be in the same league as the Playstation and Xbox this time around, whether Microsoft and Sony think this too I doubt.

All released at similar times, all the current generation of their respective companies products, there's no reason whatsoever to seperate them. They are just different takes on what the company thought the public actually wanted.

The Wii, barring something very dramatic happenning, has won this round. More people have bought the wii than the other two, the Wii is selling more games than the other two.

That's pretty much the issue sorted.

I get what your are saying Dolph, but I kind of agree with Jihad on this. Whilst the Wii may be also be a 'next gen' console (to coin a phrase) it isn't comparable to the 360 or PS3 and has targetted a completely different audience. I think the Wii is great fun and it has it's place, but it shouldn't be included in head to head comparisons with the 360 or PS3 imo.

 

[clv101]

Why all the talk about wars? Can’t a market have three products without there being a war, a winner and a loser? Who is winning the family car war, the digital camera war, the mobile phone operator war etc? Oh there aren’t wars, just a regular competitive markets.

 

[wannabedamned]

Bottom line is that the Wii is still a console, Still used for games.

I think it should be part of the competition.

It shouldn't be dis-regarded because it appeals to a a wider audience than the PS3 and 360.

 

[Joebob]

Indeed. I think it's a great bit of kit with huge potential, but the software library is - by and large - an embarrassment.

I think that the Wiimote is what makes the Wii really stand out, but unfortunately it's also what makes half the games so crap imo. It must be so difficult to come up with a game which uses the Wiimote really well, so half the time it's almost like an after thought! I got rid of my Wii some time ago now though, so maybe things have changed?

 

[nero120]

Did I miss something? I thought the current gen was still "current", therefore your little "war" is still being fought? No one has won it yet as products are still being bought and sold (some more quickly than others I might add )

 

[Vonhelmet]

I get what your are saying Dolph, but I kind of agree with Jihad on this. Whilst the Wii may be also be a 'next gen' console (to coin a phrase) it isn't comparable to the 360 or PS3 and has targetted a completely different audience. I think the Wii is great fun and it has it's place, but it shouldn't be included in head to head comparisons with the 360 or PS3 imo.

It's as comparable as it can be. It's a console released at this time with next generation technology, albeit of a different sort to that pursued by it's competitors.

It strikes me as sour grapes for Sony and MS fans to be coming out of the woodwork saying "Well, it's not a real console anyway".

It is, and it's outsold both it's competitors, much to everyone's surprise.

 

[NeoReloaded]

Arguing over consoles is the definition of social depravity!

 

[Joebob]

It's as comparable as it can be. It's a console released at this time with next generation technology, albeit of a different sort to that pursued by it's competitors.

It strikes me as sour grapes for Sony and MS fans to be coming out of the woodwork saying "Well, it's not a real console anyway".

It is, and it's outsold both it's competitors, much to everyone's surprise.

I never said it's not a real console - but it is so very different in terms of the types of games you get, the way you play those games and also the target audience that it's very difficult to do a head to head comparison against the other two - that's what I'm saying and there's no sour grapes at all... I had a Wii and chose to get rid of it because it wasn't my cup of tea, so why should I feel sour about it?

 

[Vonhelmet]

I never said it's not a real console - but it is so very different in terms of the types of games you get, the way you play those games and also the target audience that it's very difficult to do a head to head comparison against the other two - that's what I'm saying and there's no sour grapes at all... I had a Wii and chose to get rid of it because it wasn't my cup of tea, so why should I feel sour about it?

My post wasn't directed at you alone, but it is the general feeling you get when people start decrying the Wii as not being a competitor.

 

[kdd]

who cares. The console war will never end, the bullets will continue to fly and the corpses continue to pile up. Thousands of gamers across the world sitting in front of their tv's staring into an empty space, their mind, soul and innocence destroyed. WHEN WILL IT END???!!!

 

[nero120]

I never said it's not a real console - but it is so very different in terms of the types of games you get, the way you play those games and also the target audience that it's very difficult to do a head to head comparison against the other two - that's what I'm saying and there's no sour grapes at all... I had a Wii and chose to get rid of it because it wasn't my cup of tea, so why should I feel sour about it?

You may have a point, in that many people I know who own a ps3/360 also have a Wii, and a few who don't have either have a Wii, yet none have both a 360 and a ps3. So, I do see your point as it seems song/microsoft are no competing with Nintendo in terms of console sales, as they seem pretty separate in my experience.

 

[Sweetloaf]

My opinion for what it's worth, by next year Wii will still be miles ahead in sales, PS3 will overtake 360 gradually with huge sales starting this Christmas, 360 will start to flag and MS will announce their next console next summer.

Final Fantasy and GT5 will shift an insane amount of PS3 consoles when they are released, I wouldn't be suprised if the PS3 outsells Wii this Christmas.

Wii is a contender with the PS3 and 360 in fact in my local games store half the shop is now dedicated to Wii titles with half a wall for PS3 and 360 games are now downstairs out of view.

 

[WatchTower]

People love football people love game consoles. People always like to back there side. Also you also get glory hunters in Football liked people who switch sides depending on which team is doing well. Difference is some people are passionate football fans and some are passionate gamers. There's always going to be blind faith if your loyal to one brand or team.

I loved Sega and stuck with their consoles until they stopped making them.

 

[rjk]

mega drive

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[SixDemons]

It's more 360 vs PS3 than Xbox vs PS2 vs Gamecube like it was last gen.

I've always considered the Wii as a side console to the 360 or PS3, it doesn't have a good enough library of games to stand on its own.

Nintendo are also focusing on a different market to Sony and Microsoft too I think.

not enough library of games?? Nintendo has more exclusive/popular games than xbox or playstation..

popular games in PS:
- Final fantasy (which now is on NDS)
- Gran turismo
- Metal gear solid
- God of war

popular games in Xbox:
-Gears of war
-Halo

Popular games in Wii:
-Mario bros Adventure (in this case mario galaxy)
-Smash bross (in this case brawl)
-Metroid
-Mario kart
-Donkey kong (to be release)
-Banjo kazuie (to be release xmas time this year)
-pokemon
-Zelda

do I make my point? wii have more popular/exclusive games than any other console

for the rest of cool games like assasin creed, cod4 etc.. that are only in xbox/ps3 I use my PC and look 10 times better in DX10 than xbox o PS

Attach rates would tend to say different, as the Wii is also selling more games per console than either of the others. The key point you're possibly missing is that the Wii has a much larger target audience. The stereotypical hardcore gamer may not like the wii that much, but the casual gamer loves it, and there's a lot more casual gamers than hardcore ones.

Oh, and we have a Wii as our only console, so you can add that to the list. Any other games we want to play get played on the PC anyway.

I have wii as only console.... I use PC for any other cool game... it look much better on PC than console anyway...

 

[KNiVES]

I believe the 360 will end up in third place.