It's a lot harder to hack a telephone system than an online activation system.
Do i have to pay for phone call cost to reactivation my vista retail
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It's a lot harder to hack a telephone system than an online activation system.
Activation box comes up saying activate by phone --> User installs crack on pc --> activation bypassed.
It doesn't matter whether activation is by phone or internet, the crack is done locally on the pc, independant of microsofts systems.
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Surely that's not a reason to abandon it completely though? Are you saying that MS should just give up trying to keep control of their product?
If anything, you're just making arguments for stronger DRM...
With this kind of computer software the only people who are going to be installing it are technically competent and are able to crack the software, making all activation systems pointless. By not having such strict methods of control, it would encourage more people to buy the software, as they wouldn't have to put up with that crap. With dvds, aacs stops people copying it for their friends, so has some effectiveness, but the people self installing windows are at a far higher level of technical competence.
Without activation, there wouldn't be groups of people dedicated to breaking it and putting the software all over the internet just to spite microsoft.
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I don't know, XP and Vista activation has dramatically cut piracy from levels seen with earlier versions of windows, so that would tend to render your argument flawed, and again support the development of better activation systems to prevent the scoungers from leeching of the rest of us.
With regards to the groups setting out to enable breaching of the EULA, I'm sure there's a court case there that deal with that issue...
Or people are just more willing to pay for software these days, after the publicised cases of court settlements. Or they switched to linux or mac, as an increasing number of people are doing.
Though without citing your figures + source, I don't know.
Though without citing your figures + source, I don't know.
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Or people are just more willing to pay for software these days, after the publicised cases of court settlements. Or they switched to linux or mac, as an increasing number of people are doing.
Though without citing your figures + source, I don't know.
Seeing as you haven't given any for any of your statements, I'm not too concerned
Edit: Just for you though, we'll start here.
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/12/04/vista_piracy/
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Seeing as you haven't given any for any of your statements, I'm not too concerned
Edit: Just for you though, we'll start here.
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/12/04/vista_piracy/
Not sure I would take microsofts word for it somehow. That aside however wga validates copies of windows whether they are activated or not, if a stolen or generated vlk is used or a crack is applied, the copy will still be validated and reported as genuine, unless the key itself has been blacklisted. That will give a much lower number of estimated pirated copies than there really are.
That source doesn't provide any evidence for activation reducing the piracy figures either. As is well known the vast majority of oem windows sales are pre-installed through companies like dell, which of course are genuine copies. However many enthusiasts including myself have been reluctant to upgrade to vista due to the numerous issues with it, with the group that pirates windows software the most not installing vista, then of course there are going to be less pirated copies of vista and a lower % too, no thanks to activation though. You also only need to look at the mac and linux sections on this forum to see how many people are switching to those os.
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ohhh another crazy thread..
anyway i don't have a landline phone but i use tesco internet phone which works well.. it isn't microsoft fault that u have got a phone... they already offer a freenumber, what more do u want? microsoft pay for a phone for u??
also vista activates via internet more offed than xp
anyway i don't have a landline phone but i use tesco internet phone which works well.. it isn't microsoft fault that u have got a phone... they already offer a freenumber, what more do u want? microsoft pay for a phone for u??
also vista activates via internet more offed than xp
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This is where, having demanded sources, you could actually try providing a counter source to support your own arguments...
You were the one who started wanting sources, I've provided mine, now it's your turn.
A source for what? A step by step guide to cracking windows from a warez website? A forum search showing you all the bad posts about vista and people not wanting to upgrade?
I think you're mistaken. Try calling an 0800 number on 02 and the lovely recorded message will tell you 0800 numbers are not free and that so you know this you're then directed to redial the number minus the first zero. Try it now, you will get told that.
Except they aren't. Apple's market share is growing at a slower rate than the PC market as a whole.
A source for your belief that MS should do away with activation because it's not preventing or reducing piracy would be a good start. Also supporting your statement of
Would be nice as well.
Typing windows vista into isohunt reveals.
"vista ultimate sp1 x86-x64 activated.iso seeds 315 leechers 1,133"
So as you can see thats another 1,133 copies being downloaded this minute, as well as 315 people uploading it who are already using a cracked copy. And there are many more torrents where that came from. Definatley an increasing number of pirated copies, also showing you how little activation is doing considering that it is already bypassed on those copies.
No, a source, that's not a source, that's not even an investigation. A static number is no indictation of anything, especially when it's unreferenced and solely generated by a search engine.
You were the one who started demanding sources, so fair is fair, either provide an actual source or admit you're simply voicing an opinion with nothing to back it up. It's a simple enough request, provide a reputable source that shows that piracy of windows has increased since the introduction of product activation. If your opinion is based on anything solid, you should be able to produce something to back it up, right?
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I'd agree with Dolph. Product activation will have stopped a huge amount of 'casual' piracy. The amount of times anyone would use the Windows 98 disc that came with their PC and install it on any PC they wanted to upgrade, or lent it to a friend. Even more so with Office - you could let anyone borrow it and not really even think about it. This kind of piracy has near enough been stopped.
If you actually want to pirate it, there's always going to be people who have gone to the lengths to do it. Stopping them is probably never going to happen.
But how long will it be before we need to start phoning up loads of software companys for activation of game/appz ???
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