SPL Season 2007/2008 Thread **Spoilers**

dafloppyone said:
Darcheville's "offside" goal in the CIS Cup Final and Daniel Cousin's "offside" goal at Tannadice being two examples of Dundee United being more than happy to accept a wrong decision. The fact of the matter is that Scottish football does not have particularly good referees, not biased just poor quality. So instead of running to the lawyers and discredit them even more, while at the same time making talented young referees coming through think twice about doing so why not be pro-active and constructive for a change?

McCurry made 2 decision against us against Celtic 3-0 game. Coincidentally 1 offside goal that wasnt offside and a clear cut penalty claim turned down.

McCulloch goal chopped off which WAS onside and the Caldwell blatant handball which should have been a penalty, did we hear anything similar to Leveins hysterics?
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Your right the standard of reffereeing is poor, however what Levein and the DU board has said regaurding the officiates is exactly what every team and supporter outside the old firm has believed for many years. If McCurry is not bias then clearly he and the rest of the SFA's referees cannot do their job properly whenever in front of a large vocal croud and to that effect it doesnt matter whether they are bias or not as the outcome will be the same. But to play devils advocate some of the best refereeing i have seen from scottish ref's is when the old firm play each other, and i think thats what narc's most non old firm teams and supporters.

Dundee United's press statement

"Dundee United FC will be contacting SFA Chief Executive Gordon Smith in connection with a number of incidents which were reported to have taken place on the field of play during the game at Ibrox on Saturday.

Derek Robertson, Director, said, “We will be looking for a detailed explanation of the decisions in several controversial incidents during the game. We will also be seeking answers from the authorities on how so many such incidents - all in favour of one side - and the inevitable and understandable contention this causes, can be avoided in the future.

It is widely thought that there is a bias shown against ‘provincial’ clubs when visiting Glasgow, with Saturday’s game being highlighted as a prime example of this and reinforcing this view. This is damaging to the game as a whole and Dundee United believes that this situation should not be allowed to continue without careful examination and constructive proposals and dialogue between the clubs and the authorities.

For the record, the Club will be backing the Manager on all the important issues raised by him following the match in question and hope that his honestly held views can be used as a catalyst for constructive change.”

not a united fan, but they deserve a round of applause for backing their manager like that.
 
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Only two SPL clubs have not had a penalty awarded against them at the their home ground this season. I wonder if you can all guess which two they are? :rolleyes:
 
whats ironic is if the 1st decision happened the penalty and sending off then the 2nd decision would not have happened because davie wier was responsible for both.
 
Refereeing has been awful this year, I hope it gets sorted out.

I don't see what the problem is with having a fourth official check the TV monitor after a controversial decision. It would take 30 seconds for someone to check and make the correct decision. Traditionalists who would say that time is being wasted in doing this are wrong because how many times have we seen refs and linesmen taking the time to discuss a decision after an important incident, wasting even further time and still not getting it right.

However having said this, controversy is a huge part of football and there wouldn't be many discussing points if all the decisions were correct.

I think Levein was completely right to have a go and I'm happy he did as they were hard done by.

Come on Rangers on Wednesday! :D

dafloppyone said:
whats ironic is if the 1st decision happened the penalty and sending off then the 2nd decision would not have happened because davie wier was responsible for both.
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haha, that's true :)

I don't think he should have been red carded if the penalty was given. He wasn't the last man and it wasn't a dangerous challenge for the ball.

For Rangers and Celtic I think these decisions even themselves out, roughly. For the smaller clubs I'm not so sure.
 
I'm pretty fed up with all this 'Old Firm' nonsense. Celtic have had nothing to do this nonsense surrounding McCurry and we have been victims of his dodgy decisions as much as anyone else.

I know people will bleat about the free kick against St Mirren, the goal chalked off for Aberdeen and the wrongly awarded corner at Motherwell but to set things straight -

1. Naka was fouled and we where awarded a free kick. Still a lot of work to do so there would have been no complaint if he hadn't scored.

2. Against Aberdeen the whistle was blown for a wrong offside decision a good few seconds before Diamond scored and as such everyone stopped going for the ball except Diamond. There's no guarentee that Diamond would have scored had the Celtic players continued to challenge for the ball.

3. At Motherwell we where wrongly awarded a corner but earlier in the game Motherwell also got a wrongly awarded corner and the difference is that they defended badly and we scored. They still had the opportunity to score from the corner they wrongly recieved and you hear nothing about that.

Celtic may well have had a few decisions go their way when they should have been awarded to the other teams but we stil had to work to make them count. We didn't get the blatant decisions that Rangers are profiting from and nor do we want them. Rant over.
 
eddiemcgarrigle said:
I'm pretty fed up with all this 'Old Firm' nonsense. Celtic have had nothing to do this nonsense surrounding McCurry and we have been victims of his dodgy decisions as much as anyone else.

I know people will bleat about the free kick against St Mirren, the goal chalked off for Aberdeen and the wrongly awarded corner at Motherwell but to set things straight -

1. Naka was fouled and we where awarded a free kick. Still a lot of work to do so there would have been no complaint if he hadn't scored.

2. Against Aberdeen the whistle was blown for a wrong offside decision a good few seconds before Diamond scored and as such everyone stopped going for the ball except Diamond. There's no guarentee that Diamond would have scored had the Celtic players continued to challenge for the ball.

3. At Motherwell we where wrongly awarded a corner but earlier in the game Motherwell also got a wrongly awarded corner and the difference is that they defended badly and we scored. They still had the opportunity to score from the corner they wrongly recieved and you hear nothing about that.

Celtic may well have had a few decisions go their way when they should have been awarded to the other teams but we stil had to work to make them count. We didn't get the blatant decisions that Rangers are profiting from and nor do we want them. Rant over.
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The reason Celtic are being involved is because the decisions they have had this season are just as bad as the one Rangers have benefited from recently.
 
Baked said:
Your right the standard of reffereeing is poor, however what Levein and the DU board has said regaurding the officiates is exactly what every team and supporter outside the old firm has believed for many years. If McCurry is not bias then clearly he and the rest of the SFA's referees cannot do their job properly whenever in front of a large vocal croud and to that effect it doesnt matter whether they are bias or not as the outcome will be the same. But to play devils advocate some of the best refereeing i have seen from scottish ref's is when the old firm play each other, and i think thats what narc's most non old firm teams and supporters.
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Anyone else have trouble reading that?

Some bad decisions were made but let's look also at the 3 assistant officials. Clearly the nearside linesman should have seen that the ball hit a rangers player yet said nothing. Also the same linesman said nothing regarding the penalties. Whilst the ref has to make the final decision the linesman is there to referee as well and should have been consulted in case of doubt.
 
Paranoid_Robot said:
I don't see what the problem is with having a fourth official check the TV monitor after a controversial decision.

I think Levein was completely right to have a go and I'm happy he did as they were hard done by.

Come on Rangers on Wednesday! :D
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Problem is what is classed as a controversial decision?

Supposing something happened and the ref didn't see it. Should the 4th official be allowed to hold up the game?

Taking it further supposing someone did something off the ball which should have incurred a 2nd booking but by the time the 4th official had got the ref's attention said player assisted in a goal for his team should the goal still count?

Yes I'm playing devil's advocate but you can get what I mean.


You are then relying on good camera work all cameras functioning etc.

So at Ibrox/Parkhead with setanta you would have 12 cameras covering the game but at Fir Park you would have 1 possibly 2. What if a goal was allowed for Rangers due to 12 cameras covering the goal yet a similar goal was chalked off due to only having 1 camera on the halfway line at tannidice again you'd have the same whiners complaining about bias.

Also anyone said bias for Rangers and Celtic only see these teams at most 8 times a season. Try watching them for 60 times per year and see how many times they get fouls dismissed, offside rulings against them when even a registered blindman can see they were onside and 1 on 1 with the goalie. Corners not given despite it coming off a defender.

You don't hear the old firm complaining so much as the team wins despite these errors.

Personally I don't see cameras helping at all their are enough stoppages in the game without further waiting for technocrats in boxes to judge every referreeing decision.
 
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Rangers anti-bigotry campaing hits the rocks again. I was stuck in traffic outside Ibrox at 10am and I could hear flute tunes being amplified across the whole stadium. Fair play that you should be in jubilant mood due to the Cup Final (as I was in Seville) but to do it by blaring out 'the sash' is shameful.
 
McMav said:
Didnt know the sash was a banned tune? Or is it just you dont like it so it should be banned?
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The Sash isn't a banned tune per se however it is a sectarian song. If it wasn't then Donald Findlay wouldn't have caused quite such a stooshie by singing it would he?

Mr McGarrigle didn't say it was a banned song unless I'm missing something here? He did however point out that it isn't quite in keeping with anti-bigotry campaigns to play sectarian songs at the football club.

For the little it matters I don't know that Celtic are that much better, both sides of the Old Firm have more than their share of knuckle draggers.
 
Yes, both sides do have a fair amount of knuckle draggers but for the club to be directly responsible and not the fans is what I'm getting at. Celtic backed the anti-bigotry campaign from the start and anyone found singing sectarian tunes at Celtic Park has their season ticket confiscated and they are banned. When it comes to Ibrox, it seems that if a supporter sings sectarian bile then the club employees will join in (based on the sash being blared over the PA system). Scotland's shame indeed. :(
 
The sash itself is not a sectarian song despite what you hear from certain areas of Scotland. There have been sectarian "addons" in the past. Celtic Also have songs which themselves are not sectarian but some fans sing sectarian "addons" to. Should these also bee banned. I think the problem with Donald Findlay as you named him was he sang the addons.

Remember its its sung by a rangers fan its sectarian if its sung by a celtc fan its folk song/politican.
 
lol
the sash has been proven in a court of law not to be sectarian, so take it up with the courts if anyone else thinks otherwise.

[SIZE=-0]Sure l'm an Ulster Orangeman, from Erin's isle I came,

To see my British brethren all of honour and of fame,

And to tell them of my forefathers who fought in days of yore,

That I might have the right to wear, the sash my father wore![/SIZE] [SIZE=-0]cho: It is old but it is beautiful, and its colors they are fine[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0]It was worn at Derry, Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0]My father wore it as a youth in bygone days of yore[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0]And on the Twelfth I love to wear the sash my father wore[/SIZE] [SIZE=-0] For those brave men who crossed the Boyne have not fought or died in vain[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0]Our Unity, Religion, Laws, and Freedom to maintain,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0]If the call should come we'll follow the drum, and cross that river once more[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0]That tomorrow's Ulsterman may wear the sash my father wore![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0]And when some day, across the sea to Antrim's shore you come,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0]We'll welcome you in royal style, to the sound of flute and drum[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0]And Ulster's hills shall echo still, from Rathlin to Dromore[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0]As we sing again the loyal strain of the sash my father wore![/SIZE]




Please tell me where the sectarian words are....
it is of similar context to flower of scotland.


on another note its a nice day outside. im just wanting it to be a good game, a good time and may the best team win :D
 
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jas72 said:
Problem is what is classed as a controversial decision?

Supposing something happened and the ref didn't see it. Should the 4th official be allowed to hold up the game?

Taking it further supposing someone did something off the ball which should have incurred a 2nd booking but by the time the 4th official had got the ref's attention said player assisted in a goal for his team should the goal still count?
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Yes, I don't mean looking at decisions such as that but simple ones just to get confirmation of a decision quickly, instead of having the officials waste time discussing it when they aren't 100% sure.

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You are then relying on good camera work all cameras functioning etc.
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Well, the camera work is fine 99% of the time. This wouldn't really be a problem. With the amount of money in football I doubt there would be a problem having more than 1 or 2 cameras at the smaller clubs games.

jas72 said:
Personally I don't see cameras helping at all their are enough stoppages in the game without further waiting for technocrats in boxes to judge every referreeing decision.
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Well, for example the amount of time that the referees took to make a decision at Ibrox about the goal was enough for a fourth official to have a quick look at a TV monitor which clearly shows what's going on.

The sooner the technology is introduced the better.
 
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