My Bicycle damaged a car in an RTA- where does the liability lie?

That's not the car driver's fault though.

That's like claiming other drivers should have to make allowances for cars with poor stopping distances, instead of the driver of the poor stopping car.

Well, if it was another car that was involved then your argument would hold. However, because it was a cyclist, the rules change. Many laws regarding cars dont apply to cyclists (in reality). For example, a cyclist can run a red light and all that would happen is he will get a strong talking to by a police officer or maybe a small £20 fine (or whatever it is these days). If a car did it and got caught by a police officer, he will get points on his license and may even appear in court.

You have to understand that in reality cyclists do get away with a lot. And in many cases the car driver is held liable, mainly because the cyclist isnt able to achieve high speeds or sharp braking distances.

In a court of law, to win, as a car driver you would need a near concrete case, eg, video evidence and/or multiple witnesses all of which recall the incident identically. You may not like it, but such is life.

The car driver MUST consider everything around him when parking in a bus lane - other cars, motcyclists, pedestrians, buses, taxis, cyclists, etc. You cant park in a bus lane and the moment your car comes to a halt, you shut your eyes, ears and say, anything that happens now, isnt my fault. The same applies in a hard shoulder on a motorway - you are not supposed to use it as a parking spot, for your convenience. It is supposed to be used in emergencies or for another reason you can come with a good explanation for.

All this discussion is academic anyway, as the OP has settled, which he shouldnt have. The car driver shouldve considered the fact that he had a fast pedaling cycle behind him. To this end, he shouldve gradually brought his car down to a halt, decelerating very slowly, giving the cyclist every opportunity to reduce his own speed. To say nothing of the fact that he was parking in a bus lane.
 
Well, if it was another car that was involved then your argument would hold. However, because it was a cyclist, the rules change. Many laws regarding cars dont apply to cyclists (in reality). For example, a cyclist can run a red light and all that would happen is he will get a strong talking to by a police officer or maybe a small £20 fine (or whatever it is these days). If a car did it and got caught by a police officer, he will get points on his license and may even appear in court.

You have to understand that in reality cyclists do get away with a lot. And in many cases the car driver is held liable, mainly because the cyclist isnt able to achieve high speeds or sharp braking distances.

I understand it, I just think it's entirely wrong, and that perhaps if Cyclists were forced to follow the laws of the road better, less of them would die each year.

In a court of law, to win, as a car driver you would need a near concrete case, eg, video evidence and/or multiple witnesses all of which recall the incident identically. You may not like it, but such is life.

I don't like it, nor do I have to, especially when car drivers frequently get blamed for cyclists (and motorcyclists fwiw) doing stupid things and getting hurt, or just refusing to accept responsibility for the consequences of their actions in the same way other road users are expected to.
 
Possibly OT, but I have heard some slimeballs discussing braking hard on purpose, to let someone smash in to the back of them, then take it to court to claim for wiplash injuries :eek:

You wouldn't believe it would you :eek: :rolleyes:
 
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Now, if anyone who has ever ridden a bike knows, cycle brakes are not very strong and if you hit the brakes, generally what tends to happen is your tyres lock up and you skid forward. Your stopping power isn't anywhere near as good as a car's.


What????

I dunno what brakes you have but I can stop on my mtb from 40-50 mph quicker than any car.

I was originally going to reply to the op that the car in-front must have pulled in the the cycle/bus lane and slammed the brakes on like a bolt of lightning only a few feet in front.
 
well a car must leave enough room to brake, otherwise it thjeir fault if they hit the back of some1, dunno about cyclists?
 
well a car must leave enough room to brake, otherwise it thjeir fault if they hit the back of some1, dunno about cyclists?

how can you leave a gap to brake in the OPs situation ?

its similar to if you where travelling down the inside lane of a dual carriageway and someone in the outside lane suddenly cuts in and stops. you cant leave a gap.


as for travelling at 50mph on a mtb im not the one to be asking. wasnt me who said it.
 
Aye yes mtb = mountain bike.

40-mph on an mtb is not easy by any means on a flat road, but it can be done briefly. 50-mph+ down a hill though is easily possible. Heck the pro's race off road downhill on mountain bikes sometimes at 60-mph!
 
I'd say a cyclist can stop as quick as most cars. I certainly don't have any trouble stopping very quickly, after all I'm carrying far less weight and therefore much less momentum than a car would be.

I still would say it is entirely the car drivers fault. Whether it be a cyclist as a victim or another car, overtaking then stopping immediately after is just plain idiotic.
 
What????

I dunno what brakes you have but I can stop on my mtb from 40-50 mph quicker than any car.

I was referring to road/racing bikes. Their (calliper) brakes are weaker. However, I would be very interested in knowing what mountain bike you were using to get yourself upto 50mph (as I have a road bike and know that riding at 35mph+ can get very hairy - a moutain bike is generally slower than a road bike.

I would also like to know what brakes were fitted to that moutain bike, to give you such stopping power.

Ive used mountain/hybrid bikes and none of these have had the stopping power even close to that of a car or other motor vehicle. Road bike brakes are even weaker than those fitted to moutain bikes.

You also have to consider that a car has 4 wheels, while a bike has 2. This means that a bike is likely to be less effective in coming to a halt than a car. To get around the problem of skidding, your tyres would need to be heavily grooved, however, if they are heavily grooved, then getting upto 40mph would need immense power or even a near vertical gradient, however stopping a 2 wheeled bike on a near-vertical, would be very difficult.

Off the top of my head, I just dont believe what you have said is possible. But hey, lets not get too far off topic.
 
tbh, I think its the cars fault because it went and stopped in a cycle lane,

sunama take into account momentum, hydro discs on bikes are very powerfull but I doubt dublove can get to 50mph
 
ive got my hybrid to around 50mph going downhill near Caldbeck in the lakes with the mountain winds wind also behind

I had to ease on the breaks and it took me ages even with hydraulic disks to get down to a reasonable speed nevermind even stopping, i reckon it was at least 100 metres or so to go from 50 to about 20-25


I would have kept at 50 but i wasnt wearing any safety gear


What?

Some people are stopping 40kg push bikes quicker than a 2000kg cars, how is that possible :confused:;)


you forgot to add the weight of the rider and that of any equipment/water and to take into account a bicycle wheel has only a small surface area touching the ground
 
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momentum = mass x velocity

say 30kmph, thats like 8m/s or something

my bike = 20kg,
20x8= 160kgms^-1

a car
2000 x 8 = 16000 kgms^-1

I know that cars dont flip over when people brake hard on them i'm just saying its possible for a bike with hydro disks to stop, well I think so :p
 
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