Breaking news: the poor are thick

Based on IQ results? The tests themselves are slightly flawed as somebody with practice or a natural ability to do the exams are going to score higher but that doesn't necessarily mean they're brighter or better for a job.

To kind of extend this some of the best doctors out there are proper "people doctors", they're awful at exams just because of who they are, but all their patients love them to bits. Who's better?

Sally Hunt said:
It is up to all of us to ensure that not having access to the social and educational benefits that money provides is not a barrier to achieving one's full potential.
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Higher Education Minister Bill Rammell said:
These arguments have a definite tone of 'people should know their place'.

"There are young people with talent, ability and the potential to benefit from higher education who do not currently do so. That should concern us all.
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Are they still trying to get rid of non fee paying grammar schools?
 
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Greenlizard0 said:
To kind of extend this some of the best doctors out there are proper "people doctors", they're awful at exams just because of who they are, but all their patients love them to bits. Who's better?
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I'd much rather have a horrible brilliant doctor, than a lovely rubbish doctor.
 
I think he's got a point. Private schooling is far better than state schooling.

The reason top universities accept more people from wealthy backgrounds is that they've been privately-educated and are thus, more intelligent.

Doesn't take a genius to work that out.

The problem lies in the issue of whether you accept a state-schooled student with "potential" or a privately-schooled student who's got better grades/a "proper" accent.



edit: I didn't mean intelligent, I meant "knowledgeable".
 
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p4radox said:
I think he's got a point. Private schooling is far better than state schooling.

The reason top universities accept more people from wealthy backgrounds is that they've been privately-educated and are thus, more intelligent.

Doesn't take a genius to work that out.

The problem lies in the issue of whether you accept a state-schooled student with "potential" or a privately-schooled student who's got better grades/a "proper" accent.
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Just on a sidenote I'd say intelligence is inherent, knowledge isn't. Privately-educated people aren't more intelligent.

gurdas said:
Newcastle Uni lol, hardly a fine establishment:p
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Not as bad as Kingston Uni though!
 
Not all rich people are smart; not all poor people are dumb.

What we have to do as a society is to push social mobility further and break down barriers so that the people that are poor and intelligent have the opportunity to get the best education possible - we as a society benefit from having more intelligent, better trained people contributing to the economy.
 
Privately-educated people aren't more intelligent. Possibly more articulate, knowledgeable, refined, confident, expressive, even wise... but not more intelligent. They just know how to use their intelligence better.

The fact that so few students from poor families get into Oxbridge is not down to "prejudice" but "meritocracy", he said.
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Actually, it's not down to either. It's due to a lack of opportunities which leads to lower ambition and self-esteem.
 
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There are too many Universities anyway.

And they want to build more... just wasting a lot of peoples' time and money handing out crap degrees only for people to go into careers that don't require them.
 
Carzy said:
I'd much rather have a horrible brilliant doctor, than a lovely rubbish doctor.
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Carzy said:
Just on a sidenote I'd say intelligence is inherent, knowledge isn't. Privately-educated people aren't more intelligent.



Not as bad as Kingston Uni though!
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Intelligence is not inherent otherwise myself and my siblings would all be of similar intelligence. Our upbringings have been quite different too, surely that contributes. I was the only one out of 4 to go to private school and the environment encourages your thought processes and I think it does make people more intelligent.

Although saying that, both myself and one of my elder sisters attended the same university, I went through private education channels and she went through state channels, however i'll hopefully get a better grade than her and got offered to go to a better university for my masters than she did:D
 
Carzy said:
I'd much rather have a horrible brilliant doctor, than a lovely rubbish doctor.
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Mmm...on average in order to pass medicine you need more than a 2:1 nowadays, i.e. 60% or above. so it can be assumed on this particular subject there's never going to be anybody very weak in book knowledge.

Therefore the standared of knowledge is going to be high anyway.

My point is that there are plenty out there who have fantastic interpersonal skills who average say 65%, but there are some out there who average 80% and who have worse than 15% patient satisfaction. *

*(I hope you understand that, I've only got up).
 
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