2008 Monaco GP - Race 6/18
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Lewis is 4 tenths faster on the soft than the Ferrari on the hard, which might actually be the expected.
Also, not running the soft doesnt mean they are sand bagging. It could mean they are not happy with them or not performing with them, a la McLaren in Turkey...
All these claims of sand-bagging, I feel, is nonsense.
Over the years, no team seriously intent on winning the title or race has sand bagged. They've generally gone out and done the best job they could to get the best set-up.
It could well be that Kimi/Massa are cautious during practise in order to avoid any crashes, but they will generally go out to set the fastest time, to develop their setups. Another reason might be that they turn their engines down a little, to put less stress on them, turning them up when it counts. Ferrari's current engine has been known to blow up on more than a few occassions, so it would make sense to protect it as much as possible.
If any team/driver decides to sand bag it will make it difficult for them to know which direction they need to head with their set-ups and ultimately hurt them during the race. The car may "feel" faster, but may actually result in a slower time, however, they wont know this because they "lifted" on the straights.
It was also claimed by many, on this very forum, that McLaren were sand bagging, preseason, when Ferrari were setting the pace. I felt that was nonsense and it was simply a case of Ferrari being quicker. Ferrari's pre-season pace has been maintained in the season, just as all teams of yesteryear, who dominated pre-season have generally gone on to dominate the races.
No driver wants to go out and put out an artificially slow lap. If he does, then one has to question whether or not he is super competitive or not. Generally all drivers, to succeed at the highest level, need to be super competitive. Alonso, Mansell, Hamilton, Senna - all have/had huge egos and in order to feed those egos, they need to know they are going faster than their team mates and other drivers.
Myself, I am very competitive and if I get in a car and see another driver go a second faster than me, knowing that I can go faster than him, it would kill me to sandbag. My aim would be to be fastest in all sessions and win the race.
I mean, what next - sand bagging in qualifying? Sand bagging during the race?
Its an absurd idea that has every chance of back-firing on any driver doing it.
In any sport, you go out to humiliate your opponent, not to make them look good and F1 is not different.
Over the years, no team seriously intent on winning the title or race has sand bagged. They've generally gone out and done the best job they could to get the best set-up.
It could well be that Kimi/Massa are cautious during practise in order to avoid any crashes, but they will generally go out to set the fastest time, to develop their setups. Another reason might be that they turn their engines down a little, to put less stress on them, turning them up when it counts. Ferrari's current engine has been known to blow up on more than a few occassions, so it would make sense to protect it as much as possible.
If any team/driver decides to sand bag it will make it difficult for them to know which direction they need to head with their set-ups and ultimately hurt them during the race. The car may "feel" faster, but may actually result in a slower time, however, they wont know this because they "lifted" on the straights.
It was also claimed by many, on this very forum, that McLaren were sand bagging, preseason, when Ferrari were setting the pace. I felt that was nonsense and it was simply a case of Ferrari being quicker. Ferrari's pre-season pace has been maintained in the season, just as all teams of yesteryear, who dominated pre-season have generally gone on to dominate the races.
No driver wants to go out and put out an artificially slow lap. If he does, then one has to question whether or not he is super competitive or not. Generally all drivers, to succeed at the highest level, need to be super competitive. Alonso, Mansell, Hamilton, Senna - all have/had huge egos and in order to feed those egos, they need to know they are going faster than their team mates and other drivers.
Myself, I am very competitive and if I get in a car and see another driver go a second faster than me, knowing that I can go faster than him, it would kill me to sandbag. My aim would be to be fastest in all sessions and win the race.
I mean, what next - sand bagging in qualifying? Sand bagging during the race?
Its an absurd idea that has every chance of back-firing on any driver doing it.
In any sport, you go out to humiliate your opponent, not to make them look good and F1 is not different.
Each car uses a gigawave system, the FOM main truck will be receiving the signals from each cars onboard camera. Think of it as a huge wireless network
Being able to transmit through walls etc. It used to be done by helicopter hence why the signal used to break in the tunnel when the cars signal lost contact with the heli, with the signals being transmitted to the helicopter then to the FOM truck. The only problem with the gigawave system they use is that it can only receive 6 signals at once due to lack of bandwidth.. Which is why there is only a handful of onboard cameras per race and not one on every single car. Something they will need to improve if they want to go HD soon.. Not that there is a small/light enough HD camera to use yet.
They are currently trailing 16:9 widescreen onboard cameras on Kova's car and Buttons when his is enabled, dunno if anybody has noticed it
Cause I have.Each car uses a gigawave system, the FOM main truck will be receiving the signals from each cars onboard camera. Think of it as a huge wireless network
The only problem with the gigawave system they use is that it can only receive 6 signals at once due to lack of bandwidth.. Which is why there is only a handful of onboard cameras per race and not one on every single car. Something they will need to improve if they want to go HD soon.. Not that there is a small/light enough HD camera to use yet.
They are currently trailing 16:9 widescreen onboard cameras on Kova's car and Buttons when his is enabled, dunno if anybody has noticed it
Ah right, so rather than a line of sight to a hele, they go digital to the truck, allowing it to go though walls.
Im not so sure about only having 6 cameras on, there is atleast 1 camera on every car by regulation, the coloured wing thingy atop the air intake is a camera. there are also cameras on front wings, side pods, infront of the driver, rear facing ones atop the side pods, etc. And they always seem to be able to tun the camera on if needed (i.e. in practice today they showed the rear facing camera on both Piquet and Alonso when they broke there wings). Its not going to be a conincidence that these just happened to be the ones on. They are probubly all on, but the truck can only record 6 signals at a time. Like a Sky+, can recieve and show live hundreds of channels, but can only monitor 2 (3 on HD) at any given time. so to get a reply of an onboard it would have to be one of the 6 being monitored, but they can switch to any of the many more to show a live stream.
Senna or Mansell wouldn't have said this about racing in the wet at monaco...
McLaren star Lewis Hamilton says the Monaco Grand Prix could turn into a "disaster" if rain falls in the Principality this weekend.
"It will be especially difficult here in the wet, especially this year without traction control," he said.
"Pedro de la Rosa (McLaren's test driver) made a comment at the last test that it is incredibly difficult to get to full throttle here in the wet.
"With this circuit being so tight, I think it's going to be a disaster."
Is this a valid opinion based on fact, or just a Hamilton bash?
Lewis has a valid point, there were pleanty of people unable to keep their car on the road in the dry yesterday, most noticiably both Renaults, so he is perfectly correct in predicting that a wet Monaco race may result in a disaster.
Although it would be great fun to watch!!!
BMW definitely sandbag in practice. They are always a lot faster in qualifying and the race than they are in practice.
True, but it wont stop him from racing in those wet conditions though.
In fact, I feel that out of all the drivers, based on what I saw last year, Hamilton is the fastest driver in wet conditions, (when racing on the track). I wont comment on how good he enters a wet pit lane.
I doubt they do it on purpose though. There is simply no need for them to sandbag and it only serves to give other team/drivers a confidence boost. My suspicion is that they may run their engines and other components on conservative settings during practise sessions in order to conserve their life.
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In fact, I feel that out of all the drivers, based on what I saw last year, Hamilton is the fastest driver in wet conditions, (when racing on the track). I wont comment on how good he enters a wet pit lane.
What about when there isn't a digger to pull him out the gravel and send him on his way?
Bernie Ecclestone has written to the FIA member clubs to reject claims by the governing body’s president Max Mosley that his organisation is seeking to increase its control over the sport.
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To be fair though any driver would have got caught up in that mess. It was a complete farce that race.
That huge puddle took like 6 people out of the race.
I might add though that Hamilton was the only one of the lot to not damage his car and keep the engine running AND managed to get it back in the race with the help of the recovery staff
I don't think Hamilton was referring to himself or those immediately around him as such. He was saying the race in general will be a disaster if it rains. Because all the back runners will ruin it for the front runners.
All he said with inference to himself is that he expects it will be more difficult than last year as there is no TC to smooth out the puddles. But that stating the obvious really.
