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R600 all over again ?, 4870 XT only 9800 GTX competitor ?

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http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7511&Itemid=1

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'The RV770XT should be as fast as a non-overclocked version of the Geforce 9800GTX 512MB or around that speed. This means that the RV770XT might be a bit faster or a bit slower than this Nvidia offering.

However, the RV770XT based 512MB cards won't be able to beat overclocked Geforce 9800 GTX 512MB cards'


:eek:
 
As long as the price fits the performance, I don't think it'll matter.

ATi clearly don't care about the high end at all, they seem content to sit and let nVidia chase it.
 
bang/buck

Current gpus own most games anyway. I could care less if nvidia gets 130fps while ati gets 115....not like anyone can tell the difference.

and if they get fussy they can always pencil mod the ATI card.....
 
Fudzilla said:
The RV770XT should be as fast as a non-overclocked version of the Geforce 9800GTX 512MB or around that speed.
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Fudzilla said:
This means that the RV770XT might be a bit faster or a bit slower than this Nvidia offering.
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Really? :eek:

Sorry I just had a little chuckle at the above since I think it's pretty obvious that the very first quote is implying what is said in the second quote. We aren't 12 years old. :p

Fudzilla said:
However, the RV770XT based 512MB cards won't be able to beat overclocked Geforce 9800 GTX 512MB cards, which implies that the RV770XT performance will be a bit below that of an overclocked G92 with 128 Shaders.
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How can you compare a stock graphics card to an overclocked one? I honestly don't see any relevance of the above..... :)
 
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Tute said:
As long as the price fits the performance, I don't think it'll matter.

ATi clearly don't care about the high end at all, they seem content to sit and let nVidia chase it.
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Whilst I agree price vs performance is important it will be interesting where ATI will actually price this card. I mean a 8800GTS 512mb isn't that far off a 9800GTX in terms of out right performance yet you can pick one up for £140 or so. If it costs more than the GTS 512mb yet performs only aout the same as a 9800GTX (so 10% or so better than a stock GTS) you would be better off getting the GTS.

Hopefully however the ATI card will perform better than a 9800GTX as quite frankly it should do.
 
The RV770 will be priced at 230 USD at launch.....GT260 and GT280 are $450 and $600 respectively.
 
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So what they're saying is that RV770 will be about 20-something% faster than RV670 if we're lucky? I'm sorry but I'm just not seeing it. (remembering that the 8800 GTS isn't that much faster than the 8800 GT, and the 9800 GTX repeats the process of a very minor speed increase, and that the 3870 is about 15% slower than the 8800 GT).

I do love how The Inquirer and Fudzilla are obviously having a news article war here. 'R700 will be the best!' 'RV770 will suck!'

Frankly I don't believe either one of them until we see some real benchmarks, so far we've seen two sets, one where it barely beats a 9800 GTX, one where it's a good 20% faster than a 9800 GX2.

Edit: Also, apparently it's the RV770 Pro that's being launched at $220, the RV770 XT is more like $300-ish IIRC...
 
I thought they would be quite a bit faster, i thought a lot of 8 series owners would get a decent upgrade, but not if they slower, looks like the only way to go for 8 series owners is the GT200's, as theres no point them sidegrading or downgrading if this is true. :(
 
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I don't know about this. My 2900Pro when overclocked is sometimes a little faster than my GTX without AA. With the bump up in speed in a few areas I can't see that just bringing AA performances in to line will be the outcome of the new ATI card. If it is with these new specs then I will be pretty shocked.

If two of these new 4 series cards are about the same price as one GTX280 and around the same performance then maybe this is exactly what ATI/AMD expected.

Here's to waiting and hoping for something special from ATI as Nvidia are sounding very confident about their new product.
 
Shouldnt the RV770 overclock better than a G92 card? I mean it is a smaller process afterall, it should manage higher percentage overclock before heat becomes a problem. If the 9800GTX can manage a 20% OC on the highest pre overclocked versions, surely, RV770 should pull off a higher percentage gain.

Martyn
 
Once again I'd like to say that both Fudzilla and the Inquirer have currently reverted back to FUD mode, which is a shame because for a couple of months they were actually posting some half-decent news articles. Oh well.
 
What a shame, ATi needs someting to compete with the GTX 260/280 if this is true, some people do want fast cards from ATi.
 
Can't we keep all this stuff in the same thread? Makes commenting much more coherent.



Anyway, I don't see it. I will be very surprised unless:

a) The 4870 beats the single-GPU G80 cards in almost every scenario
b) The GTX260 / GTX280 beat the 4870 by a significant margin

From the specs, the *only* place that the 4870 lags behind the 9800GTX is in fill-rate. We also know that ATI prefers shader-based AA so that partially covers the gap.
 
The specs suggest a card that is about 50% faster than a 3870, which would put it about on par or slightly faster than a 9800GTX.

The benefits of the 4870 would come with the ability to actually use 1GB mem, it should also run cooler and use less power than a 9800.
 
shaders aren't the only performance factor, look they unlocked the shader clock, twice as much as 3870, etc., etc. sick of saying this now.
 
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