2008 Monaco GP - Race 6/18

[Skeeter]

I program a lot of our machines,sounds a lot more interesting than it is really, but when it comes to things like autoclaves they are a funny beast to control. I can completely destroy 2 weeks of work at the drop of a hat [but i dont]

Well it definately doesnt sound mundane to me!

"what do you do for a living"
"im a cook"
"oh yeah, what do you specialise in"
"i bake thousands of pounds worth of carbon fibre at hundreds of degrees to form formula 1 cars"
"oh...."



Any jobs for a graduate like me?

 

[Sparky]

We are always after graduates,usually with aerospace credentials though. We are after a few people currently. Drop me a line to my trust email and i will see what i can do.

 

[Skeeter]

We are always after graduates,usually with aerospace credentials though. We are after a few people currently. Drop me a line to my trust email and i will see what i can do.

Cheers. Done.

Back onto a lighthearted note, what would be an estimated bill for DC and Sebs Casino Taxi Rank shunt?

 

[JRS]

Typical of the Brits to knock someone who is succesful. Why do people hate on Lewis Hamilton so much? I work for a team that is in competition with the guy and wish him nothing but success. This Messiah crap is annoying,enough haters in the world without OcUK forums joining in.

Right. I was hoping I wouldn't have to stretch to the following font size, but I guess I'll just have to now.

Deep breath.....

I have no problem at all with Lewis Hamilton. It's his God-damned fan club that I cannot stand. And if it comes down to it, you can always stick me on "Ignore" if you find my calling him The Messiah™ just a tiny bit too much to take.

That was font size 4. I'll repeat it at 7 if you didn't manage to get the message that time....*sigh*

I mean seriously - the Senna comments on the ITV commentary this weekend. I'm well aware that Hamilton pretty much idolises Senna - I expect most of the grid do, really. He was one of the best ever F1 drivers and will be remembered by everyone who is even remotely interested in F1. But to say that Hamilton's race was a Senna-esque performance? I disagree. Don't get me wrong - even I am quite happy to say that it was a brilliant drive, aside from his tag with the wall. But he did benefit from the first safety car in a big way, and I'm not honestly certain he'd have won without that. I know sunama will bang on about making your own luck - but unless Hamilton made DC throw his car into the barrier....

And he's benefited from officialdom a few times now in his short career, hasn't he? Getting his main team-mate (and main challenger at the time) hobbled in Hungary, getting winched out of the gravel at the Nurburgring (and he'd have gotten points there without the rather silly dry tyre gamble he and the team made), not getting thrown out of the championship despite his team's utter ineptness at cheating....

/idly wonders if he'll catch some flak for that last remark

Oh, and the absolute best part - people still think the FIA and stewards are out there solely to help Ferrari. Really, the government ought to hire the PR people Lewis has working with him. They'd turn Labour's recent PR disasters right around!

 

[Skeeter]

You what? I got half way though you post and stopped reading... The safety car negated a 38 second lead Lewis had, how is that a help?!?

And I dont think Nuts ever said Hamilton had a Senna-esque race either.

Bottom line is, hes good, yet people will him to fail, which I, and Nuts, dont understand.

 

[Sparky]

You what? I got half way though you post and stopped reading... The safety car negated a 38 second lead Lewis had, how is that a help?!?

And I dont think Nuts ever said Hamilton had a Senna-esque race either.

Bottom line is, hes good, yet people will him to fail, which I, and Nuts, dont understand.

What he said.

Why is it such a crime to hope that we can actually have someone win.

 

[Skeeter]

What he said.

Why is it such a crime to hope that we can actually have someone win.

I think JRS thought you (we) were having a go at him, which it wasnt meant as. Its a generalised rant at the general british mentality.

 

[Sparky]

I think JRS thought you (we) were having a go at him, which it wasnt meant as. Its a generalised rant at the general british mentality.

again...what he said.

Lets get behind the guy and for once have something to celebrate. God knows we could do with it.

 

[JRS]

You what? I got half way though you post and stopped reading... The safety car negated a 38 second lead Lewis had, how is that a help?!?

Uh.....the first safety car brought him back into contention after he punctured that tyre against the barrier. Yes, the second safety car allowed the field to close up - but he was in the lead at that point. And as has been pointed out - it's not exactly a breeze passing at Monaco, especially when it's still a tiny bit damp off the racing line

And I dont think Nuts ever said Hamilton had a Senna-esque race either.

Never said he did.

Bottom line is, hes good

Yes, he is. Seriously good. He'll be champion sometime soon, even if he doesn't manage it this year.

yet people will him to fail, which I, and Nuts, dont understand.

I'm not one of them.

Look, I'd have been ecstatic if Hamilton had taken the title last season. The only scenario that would have made me unhappy would have been if that petulant (albeit talented) Spanish git Alonso had won it. But if Hamilton HAD won it, you can bet I'd have turned the TV off as soon as he crossed the line because I just know the ITV commentary would have dissolved into something too irritating for words.

Monaco, unfortunately, was heading that way. And the commentary has done several times already this year. Take Bahrain - the normally reliable Brundle was opining that Alonso had brake tested Lewis and caused that bump. Didn't really look that way to be honest, once you look at the onboard replays. But Martin is a former F1 driver, he usually knows the score.

And what do we find out post-race? Telemetry proves it was Hamilton's fault. His front wing was broken, he didn't allow for it in that corner, he drove right into the back of Alonso. F1 Rejects has it right - ITV were deserved joint winners of the Reject Of The Race award that day. Hopefully, they'll realise what they're doing sometime soon and back the Lewisteria down a touch.

 

[dannyjo22]

Maybe even 4.

1. Lewis Hamilton 38
2. Kimi Raikkonen 35
3. Felipe Massa 34
4. Robert Kubica 32

Kubica is still very much in touch.

That fact that kubica is so close without looking like winning anything shows how screwed up the points are. WHat it will take is a driver to win the title and win less races to start rewarding the guy pushing for wins.

Ferrari need one driver to have a few off's and fast so they can put their egss in one basket of its going to hand a title to Hamilton.

again...what he said.

Lets get behind the guy and for once have something to celebrate. God knows we could do with it.

Why just because he's British? I'd rather support the driver and personality I like rather than someone who's british. Not everyone has to be warm to Hamilton, sometimes you just don't want to support someone.

 

[Neo4]

I hope Hamilton wins this year. The boost alone in the carting sector will be massive. You think of all the kids turning to carting to emulate their hero.

Nothing but good things will come from it. I to work in F1 and would love everyone to crash out leaving the path clear for Webber, but in reality want Hamilton to win.

 

[Neo4]

That fact that kubica is so close without looking like winning anything shows how screwed up the points are. WHat it will take is a driver to win the title and win less races to start rewarding the guy pushing for wins.

Ferrari need one driver to have a few off's and fast so they can put their egss in one basket of its going to hand a title to Hamilton.






Why just because he's British? I'd rather support the driver and personality I like rather than someone who's british. Not everyone has to be warm to Hamilton, sometimes you just don't want to support someone.

Yes because he is British, is that a problem?

 

[Overlag]

That fact that kubica is so close without looking like winning anything shows how screwed up the points are. WHat it will take is a driver to win the title and win less races to start rewarding the guy pushing for wins.

exactly, these days drivers hold back because its better to score 8 points, than risk them for a extra 2 points.

in the old days 2nd and 1st was seperated by 4 points..... but due to all the anti schumacher stuff it had to be reduced......

1st - 12
2nd - 9
3rd - 7
4th - 5
5th - 4
6th - 3
7th - 2
8th - 1

pole - 1
Fast lap - 1

would make more sense. at the moment its far to easy just to finish 2nd each race and nearly win the WDC...

Yes because he is British, is that a problem?

dont have to support British being British. I like Hamilton, But being a Ferrari man i support the flying finn.

I also dont believe all this hype around Hamilton. Sure hes good, but hes in the best (or 2nd best) car! Autosport had a thing beginning of 2007 showing how much "better" Hamilton did for his first races vs Mschumacher... well DUH coarse he done better, MS was in a Jordan and a Benetton.

...However Hamiltons run at monaco last year, and this year are TRUE great drives.

 

[Neo4]

Yeh im going to enter F1 in my Alfa [albeit written off] but push for wins. I will be world champion. Once i win i will send you a invite to my crowning party, what planet shall i send the invite to?

 

[JRS]

That fact that kubica is so close without looking like winning anything shows how screwed up the points are. WHat it will take is a driver to win the title and win less races to start rewarding the guy pushing for wins.

To be fair though, it's not exactly a new problem. Take 1982 - Keke Rosberg only won once that year. He was disqualified in Brazil, didn't even take part in Imola, yet still took the title. Didier Pironi didn't take part in the final five races of the year following his Hockenheim crash, yet he finished second (and only five points behind).

Pironi, Watson, Prost, Lauda and Arnoux all won more races than Rosberg (they all won 2). That season was of course run under the old (pre-'91) points system of 9-6-4-3-2-1.

 

[Overlag]

Yeh im going to enter F1 in my Alfa [albeit written off] but push for wins. I will be world champion. Once i win i will send you a invite to my crowning party, what planet shall i send the invite to?

this confuses me.....

 

[Neo4]

this confuses me.....

Sorry still working out your previously edited post.

 

[sunama]

This Messiah crap is annoying,enough haters in the world without OcUK forums joining in.

But surely, the 'Messiah' tag has come about simply because Hamilton really is all "that". If he was crap, then a Messiah tag could be seen as sarcastic and insulting. Eg. call M. Schumacher, 'Messiah' and its a compliment; call N. Piquet, 'Messiah', and its an insult, due to the sarcasm.

I think most of the Brits support Hamilton, anyway.

Telemetry proves it was Hamilton's fault. His front wing was broken, he didn't allow for it in that corner, he drove right into the back of Alonso.

One thing Ive noticed about Hamilton is that when he gets around Alonso, he loses his cool.

1. In Bahrain 2008 - ran into the back of Alonso
2. In Brazil 2007- when he saw Alonso go past him, he tried a banzai move that led to him going completely off the track.
3. We also saw him break team orders in qualifying, during the Hungarian 2007 GP, which resulted in Alonso retaliating by holding Hamilton up in the last round of qualifying laps.

From all this, I can only think that Alonso brings out the worst in Hamilton. I have to say though, I enjoyed every minute of their feud.

 

[Neo4]

F1 driver in being competitive shocker.

 

[JRS]

But surely, the 'Messiah' tag has come about simply because Hamilton really is all "that". If he was crap, then a Messiah tag could be seen as sarcastic and insulting. Eg. call M. Schumacher, 'Messiah' and its a compliment; call N. Piquet, 'Messiah', and its an insult, due to the sarcasm.

I think most of the Brits support Hamilton, anyway.

The only reason I call him that is because that's how the British motorsport commentators seem to see him. Oddly enough, there is one guy who seems to be able to praise him without going ridiculously overboard all the time. Chap by the name of Murray Walker. Think some of you on here may have heard of him....

One thing Ive noticed about Hamilton is that when he gets around Alonso, he loses his cool.

Odd, that. Could just be coincidence that in Bahrain it would be Alonso he hit (after all, the Law Of Sod™ seemed to be in operation for Hamilton that weekend right from the off), and obviously Alonso being his team mate last year meant that they ended up getting up close and personal with each other. I guess once their relationship broke down (well, "broke down" probably isn't doing it justice....) it was inevitable that they'd start to properly clash on-track. But for it to continue into this year....very odd.

From all this, I can only think that Alonso brings out the worst in Hamilton. I have to say though, I enjoyed every minute of their feud.

It made for entertaining viewing, even if it wasn't good racing. Still not a patch on Senna-Prost, but I doubt anything will ever approach that.


****edit****

F1 driver in being competitive shocker.

There's "competitive", and there's "losing your head and throwing away a championship that you had your fingertips on".

Hamilton, sadly, might have erred on the side of the second of those choices right at the end of last year. Still, he had the excuse of being a rookie. And he won't be making the mistakes that he made last year again, that's for sure.