2008 Monaco GP - Race 6/18
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Try doing what you are proposing in a F1 car and you would loose a lot of time - thats why the system that has now been banned was originally developed.
Face facts, braking how it HAS to be done to be competitive doesnt rely on the engine in F1
(ps is it too hard to type "accelerator"
)edit - Personally think the 2nd stint of Lewis's race, which effectively won him the race (allowing for the 2nd stop without losing the lead) WAS Senna-esque - he obliterated the field "without really trying" - I seem to recall Hamilton using those words
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Not sure I follow you. All I was saying is that engine braking is not what got banned - just engine assisted braking.
(ps is it too hard to type "accelerator"
Uh....yes?
And again, I'm not following you.
What I said:
JRS said:
Which isn't engine braking. It could probably be described as engine assisted braking, but that's it. Engine braking is using the compression of the engine to slow down. At some point this year, everyone has started referring to the old (now banned) system that went with TC as engine braking, which is wrong. Not a problem on the same level as terrorism or fuel prices, but wrong nonetheless.
It's really difficult to compare a senna drive at monaco to a hamilton one. Senna had to be the fastest driver to win at monaco due to not having the luxary of pitstop windows to give you more room to manovre if things went wrong. You had to overtake on the track if you wanted to win races or be the fastest driver in qualifying.
The safety car also did hamilton a huge favour. That allowed him to win as much as any pace did.
It was a good drive but not even the best drive of the day.
A British tv show being biased towards a British driver, what a shocker
I bet most people were hoping Lewis would lose....
@dannyjo
So yeah basically you fall into the "can't compare modern day drivers to olden day drivers" camp. Which is fine. Some of us like to squint a bit though to draw comparisons
I think you can compare the drivers to some degree but the rules and way of driving has changed so much. Senna had to win by overtaking if he wasn't first on the track.
MS waited for pitstops.
Hamilton waits for a safety car
You can almost guarentee these days there will be a safety car which is factored into the strategy. No one wants to risk running heavy anymore.
I once compiled a list of every driver that raced while MS was racing. The list of drivers was hardly much to brag about and showed the real lack of top class competition or lack of decent cars to put them in.
Next year will be very different. Slick tyres, less down force and aero crap.
It will be like a blast from the past. IMO Hamilton and a few of the other young guys (Vettel, Sutil, Kovalainen, Kubica et al) that only recently came over from other Formula series are going to lap it up.
It will be like a blast from the past. IMO Hamilton and a few of the other young guys (Vettel, Sutil, Kovalainen, Kubica et al) that only recently came over from other Formula series are going to lap it up.
It's a shame they aren't banning refuelling at the same time. That'd have the added benefit of stopping drivers getting their race ruined by an untimely safety car.
This of any interest to y'all?
This guy has the '84 Monaco race up on Youtube. Another wet one. Senna's very first Monaco race, horrendous weather, and he could have won it. In a Toleman. Sort-of puts Hamilton's rookie year (him being in one of the top two cars, rather than 7th best if you go by the '84 Constructors Championship) into perspective....
oooooooh thanks!
that barrichello win at Germany rocked! searching for senna vid now lol
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I sort of like the re-fuelling aspect, however I like what you suggest also.
If they're going to insist on closing the pit lane to penalise teams for absolutely nothing, then it's the only way.
The FIA rule-mongers need a slap in the face, or a bullet between the eyes.
It did. That race is partly why I was so incredulous when someone on here claimed Barrichello was a mediocre driver. Germany 2000, Silverstone 2003 and Monza 2004 will always stand out for me as prime examples of why Rubens should be remembered as a great driver when he finally does retire.
I have to say that when I first saw that crash (from Hamilton's camera angle), it did not look like a brake test at all. It looked like Hamilton simply rammed into the back of Alonso.
I'm really not sure what people see in refuelling. I just don't think it adds enough to the sport to warrant a) the inherent risks and b) what it took away in terms of driver skill (the ability to manage a car that changed weight and balance vastly over the course of a race, the ability to manage fuel consumption etc).
See, it just about works in the US. On an oval, you're never much more than 50 seconds at caution speed from the pit lane on most tracks. It's knackered a few people at superspeedways over the years though, since they're much longer.
Well, they do seem to be finally getting the message. About ten years late, but hey ho.
Monaco in 84? Wasn't that Bellof's race?
*n
He was certainly spectacular that day. Had they managed to complete the full 2 hours, he was probably in with a shout of nicking the win as well.
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If anyone wants to see a brave overtaking move, watch that race and look at Bellof's move on Arnoux. He had to get up on the roadside curb to get by without getting mangled.